[Solved] Was Any of this Inevitable?  


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01/23/2019 2:35 pm  

I've been going through a lot of the predictions on this site lately, including the remote viewing exercises and there are certain things I've noticed. Predictions of the U.S. going more local and abandoning the federal government have been on the site for years and now I can see it starting to happen. The shutdown will make the federal government a very unpopular employer in the future which will only hurt it. The 2020 presidential race (God help us) is according to the remote viewers going to be another Republican - this will disenchant large parts of the populace who want to have a more compassionate and fair country - thereby precipitating a turn inwards away from the feds. I can see how this will happen and now I am wondering if this was all inevitable. As an outsider I have been observing American politics my whole life, and it always seemed vicious, horrible and just evil. Issues like abortion, LGBT rights, and medicare for all were things that in Canada were not fought over - they just were and we lived relatively peacefully. But America always had the air of a war zone where different factions were tearing each other to shreds. And when I moved here in 2016 I decided I needed to know why this country feels like a such a mess. Que up the history books - on all subjects ranging from slavery, to immigration to cultural narratives - and I began to form a better picture of all this. 

Culturally this has never been one country but at least two if not more different ones. I get this information from books like Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer and American Nations by Colin Woodard. 

Historically this country was founded on the twin crimes of Native American Genocide and Slavery and that history has never been reckoned with. And now watching the news and seeing revolting acts of smugness and bullying coming from white people (I myself am white) at people of color (the covington high school incident was just one of many) and the way white conservatives belittle others (Tomi Lahren - to Cardi B and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez) makes me realize that we really have nothing to say to each other. One side is compassionate, empathetic, caring and wants to have a society that is fair to everyone and not overly judgmental. The other side assumes that if they win someone else must lose. When Cardi B posted how much tax she pays Tomi Lahren immediately assumed that she was complaining about it when she actually wasn't. There are built in assumptions from conservatives that we are all as selfish and narcissistic as they are - they cannot see that we are not all this way. 

So my question is - was all this inevitable - does greed eventually lead to collapse? Will the United States actually fall apart or just technically but not legally - could any of this have been prevented?

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01/23/2019 8:38 pm  

Hey Natalie,   Wow!   loved your post!   I don't know the answer, but the Reverend William Barber gave an amazing speech yesterday,and talks about a lot of the issues you have raised here :  https://youtu.be/vnHxPOEnu28      

I usually don't listen to preachers, because most of them are hideous monsters from the pit of Hell.       But Mr. Barber is different.   He might be an actual saint.

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01/23/2019 11:21 pm  

Three years before Thomas Jefferson died, Congress approved the Missouri Compromise of 1823 - an early move that led to the Civil War - and Jefferson went to his grave with the conviction that the US was a cursed country. He was mainly thinking about the schisms surrounding slavery, but as you note, Natalie, this country has been at war with itself over issues of identity and culture long since Appomattox. A driving factor in all of this (in my opinion) is that the ideal of American democracy was ahead of its time. In reality, Western culture, and, by extent, modern globalized society, has been in the grips of a paradigm of empire. We can see the aspirations towards empire in American history when we look at Manifest Destiny; our occupation/annexation of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Panama, Hawaii, and the Philippines; and our approximately 600 overseas military bases. Basically, while we've tried to live up to the ideal of justice and liberty for all, in reality we've imposed our will and enforced injustice throughout our history, as have many other nation states.

Algonquian Indians use a term - wetiko - to describe the Age of Empire, with wetiko translating as "sickness". For all the talk about a "new civil war" and the "collapsing American empire," I don't think a devolution of the federal government needs to be a bad thing. I'm a fan of E.F. Schumacher's seminal 1973 book Small is Beautiful, wherein he details how a return to localized problem-solving is the best antidote to the avarice of our contemporary imperial mindset. The converging crises of politics, economics, and climate that's convulsing the entire world right now is sounding the death knell of the age of empire, and all of the vitriol we're witnessing (in the US and abroad) is a response to the fact that the stories we've been telling ourselves about power, ideology, and our place in nature are falling apart. But the upside is we have a chance to evolve and craft new stories of belonging, and we can start by truly getting to know the small places we inhabit in all of their facets. 

So I would say that yes, the discord in the US is inevitable in the sense that it's symptomatic of a dying paradigm that had to end at some point. But other countries are going through their own versions of partisanship as we wake up from our collective "sickness," and national boundaries will probably look a lot different 50-80 years from now as people look more inwardly. I see the United States remaining as a loose coalition of allies rooted in a shared history and ideal; many Native American tribes were members of diplomatic confederacies before the US came into being (most notably the Iroquois of the Haudenosaunee League), so a model already exists for what a decentralized America might look. I don't know how to ensure that US states/regions with more sovereignty will respect the rights of minorities in the absence of a strong federal government and justice department, but I think abandoning an imperial mindset begins with admitting that we as individuals don't possess all of the answers or know what's best for everyone else.

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01/24/2019 10:19 pm  

In the past, I have spoken on here about the vision I had of the U.S. splitting into five regions by the late 2020s.

There was another one I received of each state splitting up in the 2020s too. 

I personally do not want to see any of that happen because goodness knows what other chaos that could bring.

Hopefully, it was all just an allegory or my anxieties getting the best of me.

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01/24/2019 11:44 pm  

I have a close friend who is Indigenous American and a Pagan Priestess. She and I have a saying we throw around a lot that kind of sums all this up:

"It's as if the entire country was built on cursed land."

We share a theory that the genocides and slavery are at the root of the problem, that the natives cursed the lands they were displaced from, which boomeranged on them and resulted in more genocide. Overall, though, it is the invasion of the Europeans on this continent that is responsible for the considerable evil that persists into modern times.


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01/28/2019 6:59 am  

Right on Natalie! Yes, yes, yes!

Way to go Unk p! (And a hahaha as well)

And Coyote, your mind and memory are so wonderfully sharp and well pointed and are of such immense benefit here.

Carmen, you echo and remind  many here so please keep on sharing your thoughts!

And Laura, you're always encouraging me to think and more often than not, to agree. 

Love, light, and healing prayers,
💜 MIchele

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