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02/23/2020 1:41 am  

Bernie is not my first choice or second but boy does he have a media problem.

Chris Matthews compared him to France' fall to the Nazis today. He really dislikes Bernie and has let it be known to all.  ( He also couldn't stand Hillary when he was running against Obama.  

James Carville is really upset about Bernie winning too.  Really upset. 

Sanders’ spokesman Mike Casca tweeted after the segment with Matthews today that he “never thought part of my job would be pleading with a national news network Sto stop likening the campaign of a jewish presidential candidate whose family was wiped out by the nazis to the third reich. but here we are.”

I have no problem with media coverage of any issues regarding Bernie and his past (We should know about this with all candidates) but this is a bit much.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-matthews-bernie-sanders_n_5e51ad62c5b629695f5b64d7

 


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02/23/2020 2:05 am  

@natalie

I am right there with you, it's as if we're sharing a brain.

Sorry it took so long to offer you a supportive reply, but I'm so depressed and despondent right now that I'm not posting as much so as not to bring others down.

Suffice to say that between greed, fascism and out of sight out of mind, I have little to no hope that things will be righted in my lifetime.


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02/23/2020 8:38 am  

@lovendures  Watch fo Mathews to walk back what he said. It was pretty outrageous. I expect he'll have to apologize this week.  As for Carville, on the night of the 2018 midterms he was on TV freaking out that the dems blew it, meanwhile they took the House by the biggest margins since Watergate. I would trust his prognostications. Plus, his claim to fame, getting Bill Clinton elected, happened 30 years ago. 

Bernie isn't my #1 (though he has my vote!), but these folks are really out of touch, and the freakout we're hearing is from the moderate wing of the democratic party, which frankly, hasn't been too great for quite a while. 

By the way, while I was trying to type that Bernie "has my vote" in the paragraph above, autocorrect inserted the phrase "thought crimes" instead!??  I've had some similar things happening with my iPhone autocorrect. Bizarre.

 


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02/23/2020 11:35 am  

What I don't like is the media is claiming that if Bernie is the candidate, then the dems would lose the house and the senate in November, because some of those up for reelection are in typically red congressional districts that won in 2018, but if folks think giving Bernie too much power that we'd end up "socialist".

I would be a happy camper to have Bernie or Elizabeth especially in office. Happy only if we keep the house and possibly get the senate too. My husband is afraid of what the media is saying too. Not sure how to respond to him or even in my head since I have to think about it, but wondering what, you all think or see about that. The weird thing Is I'm trying to see Bernie as POTUS but I keep not seeing that, even though it's what seems to be playing out. Just not sure my antenna are screwed on right this week since I really did think I saw Barr resigning, even though it looks (for now) that he's staying.

I also keep feeling Trump will either be gone or neutered some how. Which will change the landscape.


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02/23/2020 2:03 pm  

Re; Bernie: The  mainstream media (eg WAPO, Boston Globe, NYT)  has always  been anti-Bernei. Why?  because in spite of being centrist (they only seem left leaning since the country has gone off the rails to the right),  they are  backed by corporate interests and those interests do not want a candidate who doesn't capitulate to corporate interests. 

FAIR, a DC-based publication whose name stands for Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting, is  dedicated to calling out bias in reporting. My spouse, a journalist by training, has subscribed to FAIR for over 30 years. They've pointed out the bias against Bernie all along. Here's their latest update:  Corporate Media are the Real Sanders Attack Machine. 

FAIR helps you to see bias in media.  Columbia Journalism Review is another.  All that media buzz about how Bernie is unelectable, Bernie is too sick to run, all that Bernie dissing -- is spread by corporate media. They do not want Bernie to win. Together with the DNC, they kept Bernie back in  2016 and now they are doing it again.  Yet he was the one candidate that could have beaten Trump in 2016. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez  has backed Bernie.


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02/23/2020 2:17 pm  

I don't think Bernie can beat Trump.  I am just hoping Trump stands down for health reasons.


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02/23/2020 2:29 pm  
Posted by: @triciact

What I don't like is the media is claiming that if Bernie is the candidate, then the dems would lose the house and the senate in November, because some of those up for reelection are in typically red congressional districts that won in 2018, but if folks think giving Bernie too much power that we'd end up "socialist".

I would be a happy camper to have Bernie or Elizabeth especially in office. Happy only if we keep the house and possibly get the senate too. My husband is afraid of what the media is saying too. Not sure how to respond to him or even in my head since I have to think about it, but wondering what, you all think or see about that. The weird thing Is I'm trying to see Bernie as POTUS but I keep not seeing that, even though it's what seems to be playing out. Just not sure my antenna are screwed on right this week since I really did think I saw Barr resigning, even though it looks (for now) that he's staying.

I also keep feeling Trump will either be gone or neutered some how. Which will change the landscape.

For quite some while (since before the Iowa caucus) I've been feeling/seeing Bernie take off with the nomination... However, the automatic writing I did for election night indicated that it would be DT vs. Buttigieg, which I haven't been able to square with my feelings.  Finally, I asked for more insight and received what I feel is an answer.  Bernie is going to take off with the nomination, but, unfortunately in May, something is going to happen that will have him withdraw (It feels like falling off a cliff actually).  I think the result will be (so close to the convention) that Buttigieg and someone else (Warren is what I'm feeling) form a Unity ticket. 

I also asked for more insight into Trump and what I feel is a major health event coming that will hobble him.  I got that it will be in September and will throw the whole Republican side into chaos.


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02/23/2020 2:31 pm  

Columbia Journalism Review (CJR) is also a reliable source for finding media bias, has been writing about anti-Bernie media bias for some time. https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/bernie_sanders_media_new_hampshire.php

Even the satirical independent publication The Onion made a joke about the anti-Bernie media bias with  a headline from The Onion: “MSNBC Poll Finds Support For Bernie Sanders has plummeted two points up.”

I suggest people be aware of how extensive the media bias is before forming an opinion, lest we become manipulated by corporate media. 

 


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02/23/2020 6:13 pm  

@triciact You just described my day, doldrums and headache all day, and took a long walk. I re-watched the debate today.

Sanders's victory has spooked me even though I agree with so much he stands for. My mind likes him but my gut is quite troubled by him. Elizabeth is my number 1.

I sense there will be surprises and even shocks before Nov.

But now, I want to look away and do some self care. Something feels so bad, like a huge smog cloud descending.

 

 

 


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02/24/2020 9:42 am  

@frank

Now that is something! You posted pretty much what I told my husband all along. I have felt like when I did the Nov 11, 2019 Read the Future night, I kept seeing a man on the podium and Elizabeth Warren too. I couldn't get who the man was though, but I did see Liz. It was confusing. I wondered if Bernie would even agree to be her VP. Then I heard someone say that maybe Bernie hands the reign to Liz because of something that happens down the road. That rang true to me so I told my husband what I thought. He thinks I'm wrong, but then again he is not a Bernie or Liz fan. (he likes Amy).

What folks like my husband (moderates) keep saying to me is that they are scared that if Bernie gets elected that the dems will lose the house and senate seats of those in Red districts that we won last time in 2018 and need to capture in the senate. That is the one point I don't know what to say to them to make them realize that it's not so, since I don't feel they are right. I'm just wondering what to say to them since I can't use our psychic visions as an explanation. If you or someone has something good to suggest as a response I'm all ears! 

I got a strong feeling about what you said Frank. We shall see.

 

 


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02/24/2020 11:36 am  

@amyv  I so appreciate what you posted, your malaise and decision to do self care.  I do not mean to assume what is going on with you, but I sense you are an empath, a sensitive, like so many in this community.  We sensitives feel the roller coaster that the Collective is going through.  This morning we are on the verge of a pandemic-driven market drop, a possible pandemic that public health professionals are now telling government leaders to get prepared for. We are on the verge of a dictator rising in the U.S., i.e., Trump.  People are nervous now on both sides of the aisle.  Obviously even Trump is nervous since he asked Congress for a billion dollars to prepare for the pandemic hitting the U.S. He knows that a market drop will cost him the election, unless he can convince people that he will save us financially. 

Many of us are viewing the democratic candidates as a rescue from all of this, but no one person is going to save us from an inevitable unraveling that has been hundreds of years in the making. I don't want to suffer and I don't want others to suffer, but change is coming and we need change. 

This morning I decided to check my many visions of the future that I wrote down and put in files going back to 2013. I saw lightening striking for 2019 and releasing a symbol of rebirth.  I saw markets going wild in Feb 2020, trying to rally in subsequent months and then going down further.  It shows a volcano going off in mid 2020 and I rarely see volcanos in visions. Don't know if that one is symbolic, but I think it is real.  It shows waters rising precipitously in November 2020.  In other words, this is a volatile time.  None of these visions are a set in stone.  I got them years ago.  But mostly it feels like a time of major shift that is scary but necessary and we will rise from it!  

If anyone responds to this post, then I will move the issue to a more appropriate thread, since this one is Bernie's. 

 


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02/24/2020 12:31 pm  

@enkasongwriter

Russia could be up to a few things with that.

1. They could publically promote their interference for Bernie to have a reverse effect and paint Bernie as the Russian operative and justify the entire Trump/Russia defense from day one. 

2. Bernie does give the strongest opposite platform on the Dem side so his nomination would polarize the voting even more-which gives Trump an advantage. 

3. Painting Bernie as "Russia's guy" would gaslight voters and have them questioning "if the Russians like Bernie what am I missing?"

4. People dont know, nor care to truly understand, the difference between Communism, Socialism, and Democratic Socialism. Promoting Bernie helps paint him as a communist. 

5. They also could see him as too weak to survive a GOP Senate/House, or they could have dirt on him they feel will make him the most useful of the Dem candidates. 

My best advice is that Russia is obviously up to something, but seeing how psych warfare and gaslighting are their main means of ammunition these days, I would completely ignore it when deciding on how to proceed/vote

 


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02/24/2020 2:25 pm  

I really like the historian John Meacham.  This morning I overhead him say we are going through a political climate change.  I love that.

Regarding all of the negative hoopla about Bernie:  Meacham spoke about the number of people (newscasters, politicians, etc.) who believe we're driving towards a cliff and remarked apparently none of them are checking with the voters.   Meacham is witnessing something very different going on among the electorate.  

I also heard about a Harvard political study that was conducted among young voters.  The bottom line is, young voters don't care at all about labels (e.g. socialist, etc).  According to the study about 50% support Bernie, and the other 50% want a candidate who support some of Bernie's policies, but within the context of a new definition of capitalism.  I'm a Warren fan, and wonder whether she fits into the latter 50%?  

In any event, these people who are losing their minds about Bernie getting in -- I believe they're using an outdated paradigm.  


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02/24/2020 2:38 pm  

@mas1581

I found your assessment pragmatic, logical, and so, solidly reassuring.  Thank you very, very much!

 


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02/24/2020 3:07 pm  

I have a strong feeling the whole "Russia is trying to boost Bernie so Trump will win" narrative is pure propaganda to scare Dems into supporting a status quo candidate. It's been kind of hilarious how MSNBC has been in meltdown mode over Bernie since his NV win. I don't think this new 2020 astrology supports the status quo any longer, though, so that's a recipe for disappointment. 

None of the numbers support Bernie losing to Trump- his favorability rating has been consistently higher than Trump's for the past 5 years. In key states like WI and MI, Trump is now running a big deficit in favorability points compared to 2016. Even in FL, he's now -1 down from +22 at the time of his inauguration. You can check regular state by state updates on the Morning Consult website. 


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02/24/2020 3:24 pm  

@deetoo Absolutely agree. Something is happening at the grassroots level that many pundits aren't seeing. Rachel Bitecofer's take (her Twitter feed is a must read for anyone who wants to understand what's happening with the electorate) is that the way to win is for a candidate to excite the base, not cater to the other side. Democrats, unfortunately, have spent decades chasing the unicorn of the "swing" voter and given this nonexistent group priority over their own voters. The GOP gives us right wing policies, the dems gives middle of the road stuff. No one has given us true liberal policies since LBJ's Great Society programs, and FDR before him. There is a hunger for it that well paid pundits with health insurance and paid vacation don't get.

 


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02/24/2020 3:42 pm  

@lynnventura Amen. Whether you agree that Bernie Sanders is the right vehicle for that approach or not, the simple truth is, it has been a long time since Democrats ran on the basis of what they are actually for, rather than what they think they might be able to finagle.

The majority of Bernie's support is coming from people who weren't even alive the last time the mainstream Democratic party took a position that might be considered "courageous". It's no wonder they aren't inspired by policy wonks.

The bottom line is, worrying about a vague notion of "electability" is nowhere near as important as advocating for what is right and good. That has pretty much always been true, at every critical juncture of history. The current crisis is no more unsettling than several we have been through before, and the leaders who brought us out of those other crises were almost universally driven by ideals first, and pragmatism almost as an afterthought. FDR's ridiculous optimism is the example that comes most to mind.

 


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02/24/2020 8:53 pm  

@lovendures

It didn't take a psychic to see this one coming, but Chris Matthews apologized to Bernie Sanders today:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/24/1921750/-Chris-Matthews-apologized-to-Bernie-Sanders-for-his-maladroit-remarks?utm_campaign=trending

 

 


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02/25/2020 2:20 pm  

The problem democratic, and intelligent conservative, voters have these days is that polls are correct but misleading. We are almost all looking for the candidate that beats Trump.over any other quality. Polls today are just as useless as in 2016 when predicting a victory. The Democratic candidate will win the popular vote no matter who it is. The problem is that it doesnt matter. There is no consolidated, easy to understand, poll that shows which candidates are polling well in a nationwide electoral college vote. There are a few notes that come up about Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania, but I have yet to see something easily understood by the masses that shows what candidates EC projections look like. The AA vote is a huge chunk of the Democratic electorate, but it's also most targeted for suppression and often a non winnable percentage in strongly red states. For someone like Klobuchar or Buttigieg to be dismissed because they wont win in highly AA populated states is the wrong way to look at it. No one is going to beat Trump in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, etc. I'm not saying they are the best candidates, but the only info the public is getting their hands on eliminates their electability chances on a moot point. 


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