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 lynn
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02/23/2020 8:06 pm  

@jovesta

I think the ordinary rules just don't apply. We've got an admitted p---y grabber in the white house. Most people's economic situation haven't improved. Bernie isn't my #1, but I just don't think we can look at 2020 through an ordinary political sense. One thing Bernie has above the others, in my opinion, is an ability to communicate clearly and simply, and he sounds authentic when he speaks. That resonates with people, and few of the other candidates have it. Anyhow, my two cents is anything can happen, anything is possible in our topsy-turvy world, even a democratic socialist as president.  Fancy title, btw, but he's basically just a liberal.

 


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02/23/2020 8:16 pm  

I’m curious why so many seem to think Bernie securing the Democratic nomination would be a bad thing, or ensure another victory for Trump.

He energizes the youth vote and is building a broad coalition of working class folks and people of color, among others. Isn’t that who we want in a candidate? Someone who actually excites the base and inspires people to vote because they believe in the candidate’s ideals?

Sure, Sanders and his campaign aren’t perfect, and it’s a potential long shot... but saying that he’d never be able to win seems like we’re giving in to darkness & pessimism without a fight. I’d much rather follow with an honest fool trying to make things better (no matter how hard the journey may be) than do nothing at all, or water down our efforts thinking it’s the “sensible” way to victory.


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02/23/2020 8:33 pm  

@lynnventura the thing is he has the socialist label which makes him an easy target for the GOP. 😏 

 


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02/23/2020 8:38 pm  

@jovesta Sanders is socialist, Buttigieg is gay, Warren is a woman - pretty much all of the current Democratic contenders have some label that will be twisted against them and used as a demoralizing tactic on supporters. All of it boils down to, “they can’t win because they’re not the status quo,” and I for one refuse to fall for it anymore.

 


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 lynn
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02/23/2020 8:45 pm  

@jovesta  Absolutely true.  The GOP will run with that one. But if not that, then it would be something else. I mean, they called Obama a socialist for years, and a kenyan, muslims, whatever, and it didn't matter. That's what republicans do. They're masters at smear not matter whether you've earned it or not.

I'm not saying he's the ideal candidate, but I no longe think he's sure to lose. I'm reconsidering my recent pessimism about him. And his ground game is killer, as his ability to fire up the youngsters. 

 


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02/23/2020 8:52 pm  

Interesting article on Democratic Socialism:

The Myth of Democratic Socialism

The Nordic countries show the limits, not successes, of Bernie Sanders’s plans.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/07/08/the-myth-of-democratic-socialism/


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02/23/2020 9:23 pm  

@jovesta  Bernie has been clarifying that he's a social democrat, not a socialist. Big difference.  Denmark is a social democracy. The GOP can and will label him; they did the birther thing on Obama, and, worse, they played the racist issue on Obama.  

If Bernie gets the nomination, the dems can hammer away at the true meaning of social democrat. We don't have to buy the GOP talking points.  Practically speaking social democracy mainly means moving towards the 1970's where there were better worker rights and benefits. 

Also, there is good evidence that the country is going blue regardless of who the nominee is. 

 

 


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02/23/2020 9:24 pm  

@light  I read the article and see some interesting truths.  I know that in a correctly operating Constitutional government unlike what we have now, the checks and balances would temper the pendulum swing, but it is important to know the pitfalls of the plans that are presented to the voters.  

I will support whoever the Democratic nominee is.  I just want them to win.

 


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02/23/2020 10:21 pm  
Posted by: @jovesta

@lynnventura the thing is he has the socialist label which makes him an easy target for the GOP. 😏 

 

Dear sweet beautiful @jovesta whose posts I have admired, and all of us who worry:

We must not worry ourselves with anything the GOP says.  They are abusers and gas lighters. I have learned from the abusers in my earlier life to shut my ears to them and hang out with light workers.    

Abusers will say anything ugly to win. The party that said a trial doesn't need witnesses.  The party of child abusers, woman abusers, immigrant abusers and killers, racists, nazis. The party that locks up innocent children in cages and prisons.  The party that looked the other way while a sixteen year old child died under their watch.  The party that has sold their country to the Kremlin.  The Party that is trying its hardest to break the Constitution. The Party that is going to drill in sacred land, national parks, the Arctic. The party that made animal cruelty legal. The party that is responsible, yes responsible for the coming loss of most if not all of the world's coastal cities and all of their history, not to mention untold loss of life from famine. 

Come on, you care what they have to say about Bernie Sanders, a good man who has never wavered in his service and who wants our country to be more like Denmark?  

We need to focus on winning, not on losing. We are stronger than they are.  We are in the light. There are many more of us. They are aging out. We are expanding. 


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02/23/2020 11:07 pm  

@jeanne-mayell  Thank you.  I needed to hear that.  I have a husband who is so extreme right - it gets to me.  But I want to be strong for my kids.  I have taken time for myself to refocus.  Things have to get better.  And I am looking for hope.  

 


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02/26/2020 1:50 pm  

@jovesta Did another throw of cards and Trump's last card was Death reversed.  

When Death reversed appears in a spiritual context, like the upright meaning, it signifies spiritual transformation brought about by a difficult time, grief or loss in your life. However, the reversed card in a Tarot reading indicates that you are extremely resistant to this change.

 


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02/26/2020 2:07 pm  

@light I am liking that message!  Of course Twitler will resist being out of power.

 


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02/26/2020 3:12 pm  

@jeanne-mayell

Thank you for your uplifting words.  You are right in that we are the light workers and that there are millions more of us than there are of them.

Having said that, I will admit to some anxiety.  Although I am watching the debates with interest and have not yet decided on a candidate (I get to vote on Super Tuesday), I have already affirmed to myself that "I WILL VOTE BLUE, NO MATTER WHO!"  Basically, I plan to support whoever the ultimate Democratic candidate is, regardless of any reservations I may have of his or her platform.

Why would I do this?

1. Regardless of who the Democratic candidate is, I believe there are enough moderates in the House and Senate who will temper any radical policy changes that may affect me.  In other words, if the Democratic candidate tries to enact policies that would hurt me and my area, I am confident that Democrats in the House and Senate will fight to reach compromises and, most importantly, will not fall in step with the President just because he is President.  

The Republicans....not so much.  If they let Trump get away with withholding aid for political reasons (despite witnesses and evidence to the contrary), I doubt they would serve to protect us from Trump.  Past behavior is often a good indicator of the future, and we have had over three years of Trump's behavior and the Republicans' cowardliness to be certain of what they will do in the future.

2.  If Trump gets four more years, then that is four more years of children being put in cages.  Four more years of the rights of women from being systematically raped, deprived of choice over their health, and sexual harassment being torn away one right at a time.  Four more years of Trump trying to dismantle healthcare until people have none.  Four more years of people being poorer while the rich get richer.  Four more years of our environment being under attack. 

Except it will be worse.  Much, much worse.  Because Trump will be unstoppable.

He will abolish health care and not bother to give any back.  He will likely withhold aid to any Democratic stronghold or State as punishment for voting against him.  His powers will be unleased, and many more will suffer.

Comparing that to any concerns or fears I have about Bloomberg, Sanders, Warren, etc., then there is no question as to what to do here.  I rather take my chances with any Democratic candidate than support Trump.  And remember, a decision not to vote is basically a vote for Trump, because his allies are actively working to suppress voters in key democratic areas.  We need every single vote from our brothers and sisters in moderate or conservative (Republican) areas to take a chance and vote for Democrats this time, if only to show to the rest of the world that Trump's actions are not approved and (more importantly), that the election is not rigged. Remember, it will be harder for Republicans to suppress votes for Democrats in Republican leaning areas, as they risk suppressing votes for them as well.  

 

On a related matter, I feel very anxious lately.  I am trying to drown out this feeling of dread, as I know that to give into despair is exactly what Trump wants.  But I can't help but worry.  The Dow Jones is falling due to the coronavirus, and yet Trump will probably make an announcement soon that will give false assurances about "how everything is all right."  Stocks will bounce back, and people will ignore the fact that the economy is slowly but surely headed towards decline.  Meanwhile, the Democrats continue fighting, and Trump seems to be riding high on his victories.

In short, Trump feels unstoppable.

Were we wrong?  Is Trump going to win no matter what happens?  If he continues to cover up his crimes, the true state of the economy, the actual status of the coronavirus, etc., will the collective ever wake up?  We felt that March would be a major turning point, and there are some interesting events that month.  But are we just being overly optimistic?  Will March provide us with a little hope, or will Trump continue to lie and cover up his evil until there is nothing left.

I hate to say this, but I don't think anything will wake the collective up.  If the economy tanked, if the coronavirus reaches pandemic proportions, if more children are caged or shot up in schools, etc.  Even if Trump is forced to take a DNA test and it is shown that he did rape Carroll, it wouldn't matter.  If Trump's taxes were released and it showed checks made to Trump from Putin for millions of dollars with the memo line saying "for services rendered," it may not matter.

Please, can anyone give me assurance that Trump will be stopped?  I really want to go on hoping, but the events of the last few months make me anxious.  While I still feel there is something coming out soon that is waiting for just the right moment (likely after Super Tuesday, in hopes that voters can unite around a presumptive Democratic candidate), I fear that even in the face of overwhelming evidence and sudden hardship, a large segment of the population will still refuse to stop supporting Trump.

So, is there hope?  Or does it even matter any more?  Please, someone give me some assurance.  I don't have the gift many of you do, so I have to rely on what I see for myself and my own instincts.  It would help to know whether or not I am hoping in vain.

 


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02/26/2020 3:33 pm  

I've already voted here in Florida via Vote by Mail and will support whomever is Democratic in the General election.  My recommendation is to read over the predictions for the coming November election on this website, there are numerous predictions showing Blue as the winner, that might help. 


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02/26/2020 8:22 pm  

I too will vote blue no matter who.  I have said that from the beginning.  I have a favorite presidential candidate.  I live in California and have already mailed in my primary vote.  If my candidate does not win, it's OK. I will vote blue all the way.


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02/27/2020 3:23 am  

@allyn

I wanted to take a moment to respond to your post.

This will be quick, as I'm so sleepy that I can barely keep my eyes open. 

BUT. As someone who has given me hope in your other posts I want to try to return the favor.

While I do have anxiety right now, there's something in me that knows everything will be okay. I don't know how and I don't know when (God, I pray SOON!). But against my mind's protest my gut says keep the faith. 

The day the senate voted for no witnesses I lost it. I hadn't cried that hard since Mango "won" the election. But the next morning I woke up and it's like my spirit said to me, enough. Do not despair. Gird your loins. You must not give in to hopelessness, because then we are lost. 

When the candidate is chosen I will make phone calls, knock on doors, whatever I need to do. We MUST do what we can and not go down without a fight. Meanwhile, keep your spirits up however you must - prayer, meditation, scream singing...

Now is not the time to cave into despair. The only way to lose is not to fight at all. 

The collective wakes up when we light workers also take action to help bring forward the world we want to create. Every single action you take toward that world will give you hope. 

I don't remember the saying, but it's something like, if you're feeling down get out there and help someone else. 

Okay, I'm rambling now and must go to bed.

Perhaps this wasn't a hopeful message, but know that it's sent from a kindred spirit who wants you to keep your hope, and all of us to keep our hope. We must take turns lifting each other up because we all need it right now. 

Do not be defeated when we haven't lost the fight! They are winning some battles but they will not win the war!


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02/27/2020 9:38 am  

@allyn and @kateinpdx

Kate, thanks for your comforting note. I understand Allyn's worry and frustration, but I too just feel like it will be ok. Nothing we know now as reality in our politics will be that way in just a few months.

Some more encouraging news: The S. Carolina Dem debate drew higher ratings than "NCIS" and "FBI" Tuesday night. This makes me feel like folks are really concerned and will want to turn out to vote the Orange nightmare out.

More Than 15 Million Tuned In for CBS’s Democratic Debate

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/business/media/democratic-debate-cbs-ratings.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_200227&campaign_id=2&instance_id=16258&segment_id=21666&user_id=05a05d28b9044d7cf954b32e3f559ba1&regi_id=334306350227

 


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02/27/2020 10:10 am  

About a week ago while making dinner, suddenly the words "We will Overcome" came to mind.  I started to sing it out loud, this was a message, words from MLK giving encouragement. Leaving dinner preparations, I searched through You Tube for a song I could share, entering the words I had heard and came across Simon and Garfunkel's "The Sounds of Silence".  It reminded me of times of trouble in the 60's, and is relevant still today with what is going on in the GOP.  We will Overcome this, hang in there! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9z87viDmOo


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02/27/2020 11:36 am  

OK I have to say I have gotten  lot out of reading the post on this page.  It seems we all agree on one thing Blue no matter Who.  I have heard more and more people express the same sentiment some even friends who are or were Reps!  I agree it is Bernies followers who I have a problem with.I don't believe they want to unify the Dem party.  One such "famious actress" was taken to task on twitter for encouraging Dems to vote against Dem candiadates who weren't progressive enough.  One was Pelosi.  No way in hell would I vote against Pelosi if I lived in  California.  I am a Warren fan and will vote for her in the Primary but will support the Dem candidate no matter who.  

I am encouraged by one thing.  Nomatter how loud or obnoxious the Reps are, we stll outnumber them. The voter registration here in Ky is up and a great number of the new voters, a lot first timers, are registered DEmocrat.  Keep the faith baby! we shall overcome.  If that doesn't convince you I am an old hippie nothing will ! Power to the People!  (Sorry I am fighting a cold and the medicine is making me a little loopy) 


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02/27/2020 11:02 pm  
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I’m curious why so many seem to think Bernie securing the Democratic nomination would be a bad thing, or ensure another victory for Trump.

He energizes the youth vote and is building a broad coalition of working class folks and people of color, among others. Isn’t that who we want in a candidate? Someone who actually excites the base and inspires people to vote because they believe in the candidate’s ideals?

Sure, Sanders and his campaign aren’t perfect, and it’s a potential long shot... but saying that he’d never be able to win seems like we’re giving in to darkness & pessimism without a fight. I’d much rather follow with an honest fool trying to make things better (no matter how hard the journey may be) than do nothing at all, or water down our efforts thinking it’s the “sensible” way to victory.

I'm also curious, because the current polling data in so many key states show him beating Trump by several more points than the other candidates, so if we want to win, that's a good thing! He keeps gaining among Latinos and African Americans, too. I think we need to look at the actual data and stop listening to all of the ungrounded fear-mongering that he can't win. 

Chris Hayes on MSNBC just did a piece on what the numbers actually say and how misplaced the Dem hysteria over Bernie possibly getting the nomination is. I'm starting to wonder if they care more about maintaining their status quo than actually beating Trump... 


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