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01/08/2020 3:38 pm  

@jeanne-mayell I've had daydreams since the inauguration that there would be a 9/11 type attack. I can't say they were flashes, but more like daydreams when idle. I was in the building as the terrorists were planting the explosives (or I was remote viewing thru someone who was there-not sure), and while they were dressed in foreign garb, they were not foreign, and they were talking about how Rumpus was in on the plan. This was caught on video on my phone, and that phone & I both survived in the rubble-in the daydream. So, I've always kind of expected a false flag event from this administration, tho I believed it to be on US soil, and I expect it to be known (at least eventually) who did it. 

It is curious that the plane was Ukrainian. Bomb, missile, or mechanical? All too familiar for me. The most dangerous times for planes are at take off and landing. This one disappeared from tracking 2 minutes after take off.  I feel for the families of those involved. As for Iran not releasing the black boxes to the US (Boeing), it goes against international treaties and laws. The country of manufacture of the aircraft, the country where the accident occurred and the home country of the airline involved are all to be privy to the investigation. Iran may be covering up something, but on the other hand, if this is purely political in motivation, they will harm their own citizens on board. Without being involved, or if Iran opens the black boxes without US representatives there, they can harm their citizen's rights to sue or compensation should it be the fault of Boeing or the Ukrainian airline's maintenance. 

As for a Russian plane with an oligarch on board being in FL at the same time as IMPOTUS, that's routine. There are a few folks on twitter who watch airplane tracking for just this thing, and unfortunately, it's rather common.  


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01/08/2020 5:38 pm  

@cindy

Thank you for sharing this information with us a I know you are very well aware of procedures  in situations such as this one.  I am thinking of you today and  your sweet and dear daughter. May her memory be a blessing today and always.

 I am glad to know there is protocol to follow that mandates the  sharing of information with  the home country/flag of the plane  and the country the where the aircraft is manufactured.  If Iran is breaking international law by not releasing the information, that is quite worrying.  

This must be so painful for the families of those killed.  They deserve the truth and it doesn't look as if it will be coming anytime soon. May they feel the love and prayers being sent from around the world as they take their first steps in grieving and healing. 

 


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01/08/2020 10:31 pm  

Cindy, thank you for all of your sharing. This must be so tough for you, feelings inside you about this that stir up so much.  Thinking of your angel daughter always there with you, always, at one with the divine. 

Haven't been able to check the news much today. If something comes out that contradicts what I've felt is true, I'd like to know. 

Some news I read a few days ago- maybe it was  NPR: When Trump was seeking advice from his hawkish advisors about how to respond to the Baghdad embassy storming;  his advisors had told Trump that killing Soleimani would be the absolute most extreme response and they offered less extreme responses.  Apparently his advisors were shocked he chose such a response because it was so out of proportion and so like to blow things up with Iran.

But it was the perfect thing for Trump to do because it would create a big effect and start a chain reaction that would distract. 

Also as I mentioned earlier, I was for days feeling Putin working on a plan after the impeachment to save his American asset. 

I read that eye witnesses said they saw an explosion coming from  the plane, like a big flash before it crashed -- that doesn't sound like engine trouble.  I can't find that article but the Washington Post reported an  aviation crash expert said it looked like an intentional act, because of the way it broke-up before hitting the ground. Hopefully more information will come to light. 

 It wasn't the same Boeing 737 that has been grounded all over the world -- the Boeing 737 800 Max. It's just a Boeing 737.  Let me know if I am wrong but I checked it this morning before I flew out in a 737. There are hundreds in operation and they don't have a a history  of problems. 

It is hard  to think  that this is the world we live in now.  I can only breathe and know that you wonderful people are also in this world, along with so many other beautiful people. I send all my love and healing energy to the families of those on that airplane and the others who are undergoing unspeakable suffering.

And then I wonder what is coming next. I threw some cards Monday before I heard about the airline crash and it looked like this chaos will slow down once Trump achieves his distraction.  I don't know about others here, but I don't feel WWIII.  Putin of course gets to play both sides -- Iran/Iraq and the U.S. and become even stronger while the U.S. weakens. Just saw this article :The Only Winner of the U.S.-Iran Showdown is Russia. 

@Cindy and @Lovendures, @Perriwinkle10, @NelystheAlchemist, @JourneyWithMe2, thank you for your posts. 

 

 

 


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01/09/2020 12:50 am  

@jeanne-mayell

In my meditation today, I thought about the airliner bound for the Ukraine that crashed shortly after takeoff.  I found myself on board looking at all the people in seats ahead of me.  It was a normal takeoff, calm, routine.  There was no panic, no warning, just suddenly it was gone.  It happened in an instant and no one suffered fear or pain.  This isn’t  the first plane connected to the Ukraine to go down under suspicious circumstances.  I suspect Putin.  All roads lead to Russia.


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01/09/2020 7:29 am  

Funny enough, I had a post typed out, but not completed yesterday, stating why I wasn't sure that this was an accident. Mom needed something, then dad did, etc. I came back to the computer hours later and finished the post, hit the add reply button, and was told something had gone wrong. Apparently I'd been signed out during the delay. I took it as a sign that maybe I shouldn't speculate, as I've been in the shoes of the families, and speculation can be very hurtful. 

My point in that post was that since 2005 Boeing has had inerting systems placed on their new craft. This was done three years before we got the  FAA to mandate it on all crafts. These systems place inert gas (non-flammable) into the vacant space in tanks that are not full. The fumes are more volatile than the fuel itself. By replacing the air in the tanks that allow fumes to form, you reduce the possibility of tank fires or explosions. 

The video of the plane shows that it was on fire before crashing and exploding. To have a fire that large, fuel must be involved. Planes are designed that if one engine fails, they can maneuver with the second to get to safety. An engine failure or fire wouldn't produce flames as large as what I thought I saw in the video, it was fuel fed from the looks of it. This means that either a fuel line into the engine was severed allowing a free flow of fuel, or the tank was ruptured in some fashion. This lead me to think something was off, like a bomb or being hit by munitions. So far the US military has seen no heat signatures that would indicate a missile hit the plane. The plane dropped from non-official tracking after just two minutes. The plane was not at a great altitude -below 8000 feet, so smaller munitions could have been used that could pierce the wing tanks. 

Then last night I read an article where a former NTSB investigator was interviewed briefly. I know the man personally. I trust him. He noted that the altitude was not high, so there is the possibility that there could have been a bird strike. Such strikes can cause debris from the engine to act like shrapnel and pierce other areas of the plane. However, after making that remark, he noted what I noticed -the size of the flame, and the video he saw showed parts of the plane coming off on the way down. He said if it was his investigation, he'd be looking for nefarious causes. He's not one to jump to conclusions easily, and he's sensitive to what the families go through, so he didn't say this to stir the pot-that's not who he is. 


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01/09/2020 1:02 pm  

So, the US is  stating that they believe the plane was downed mistakenly by an Iranian missile.

When I first heard about the plane, I thought  " oh no did it just happen again?". My mind flashed back to the Iran Air Flight 655 flight from Tehran that the US Navy mistakenly shot down  with a surface-to-air missile in 1988 during the Iran Iraq war.

After making that initial  connection and even mentioning it to my family, I soon dismissed it.  I thought I probably made the connection because of the airport and the fact that there had just been a missile attack on our air bases.  But... now it looks like this might be the case.  This is a very sad history to repeat if true.  Passenger jets should never very be casualties of war.  

Looks like your observations might be correct @Cindy.

So why has Canada with  more than 60  Canadian citizens on board been so quiet?  Hardly a peep officially other than pushing to be part of the investigation.

 

 


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01/09/2020 8:30 pm  

For anyone picking up on a Russian connection of the Iranian plane that went down, the US believes it was two Russian missiles fired by Iran that shot down the plane.  So the Russian connection might be the Missiles. 


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01/09/2020 9:35 pm  

@lovendures

There is a video that shows a ground missile  fires from the surface to air hitting an item on the sky and you see the impact and them a loud boom

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.amp.html

 

 


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01/09/2020 9:36 pm  

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I was picking up the Russian connection for the downed Ukraine flight, but immediately blamed it on Putin.   I guess he’s behind so much of the turbulence in the Middle East right now.  So Russian missiles, eh?  Those poor people and their grieving families.


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01/09/2020 10:11 pm  

@bluebelle

Yes, that is the theory.  But who knows if Putin might be involved in other ways.  

So many connections.

 


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01/11/2020 10:30 am  

The Iranians have taken responsibility for mistakenly shooting down the Ukrainian airplane. An aviation expert on Anderson Cooper today (I didn't attach the segment  because it is painful to watch)  points out that the U.S. had ordered that no U.S. flights could enter or leave the Tehran airspace since Iran had started firing missiles at U.S. targets in Iraq.  They are saying that Iran should have taken the same steps to protect innocent civilians from getting inadvertently shot down, especially since the missile launch location was close to the airport.   

Did Putin order the strike? Probably not, but I saw Putin's face and smug expression in my mind's eye dominant in my psyche throughout the week that all this chaos was unfolding. Was Putin egging on the Iranian president while also egging on the U.S.?  What was said in that secret phone call?  Likely his words were more suggestive and he knows that Trump looks up to him and wants to prove himself a big boy in the military world.  Some Middle East analysts point out that Putin benefits from the two powers squabbling against each other which weakens them while putting him on top. Putin was trained as a spy, a snake, aa master manipulator.  

Many in the mainstream press, save the ultra right press,  are blaming the chaos that led to the tragedy on Donald Trump.  It was Trump's overreaction to every Iranian insult that escalated the situation. It was Trump trying to prove himself to his Kremlin mentor. In the end the only person who benefits from all of this drama is Vladimir Putin. (I posted this article three days ago, so ignore if you have read it) His U.S. asset gets a distraction from the impeachment news, and the U.S. and Iranian leaders are weakened in the eyes of the world. 


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01/11/2020 4:31 pm  

Iran’s embattled regime was shaken by a wave of international condemnation and domestic criticism on Saturday night after admitting its forces shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane with 176 people on board and lied in a bid to cover up its role in the tragedy.

Facing possibly the biggest crisis since the 1979 Islamic revolution, senior clerical, political and military leaders scrambled to contain the fallout from what President Hassan Rouhani termed a “disastrous mistake”.

This is turning into a BIG deal.  Canada is furious and the people in Tehran are protesting against the supreme leader.

They knew right from the beginning. So the question is, why did they cover it up?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/iran-plane-crash-admission-sparks-unrest-in-tehran


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01/11/2020 5:24 pm  

So there is a rumor going around that T felt pressured from the GOP Impeachment jurors

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.salon.com/2020/01/10/trump-privately-admits-he-killed-soleimani-under-pressure-from-upcoming-impeachment-trial-report/amp

Trump privately told associates that his upcoming impeachment trial factored heavily into his decision to kill top Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, The Wall Street Journal reports.


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01/16/2020 2:37 am  

Does anyone feel that that the downing of the Ukrainian plane may have inadvertently  paused an escalation of war?  


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01/16/2020 2:59 am  

@lovendures

I certainly do.  Iran got scared after that event.  But I think they will retaliate in other ways, using terrorist group by proxy.  2020 is a big year for humanity and we have a lot of work to do as lightworkers.


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01/16/2020 8:49 am  

I threw cards on the US Iran conflict before the the plane went down (posted it here on Jan 8) and saw that it would fizzle out.  Today it feels over to me.  


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01/16/2020 9:51 am  
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I think they [Iran] will retaliate in other ways 

The new warfare is cyber warfare. To fight the U.S.,  they will join our other enemies with using influence warfare via cyber subterfuge, the way that North Korea retaliated against Sony Pictures for embarrassing them with the Seth Rogan movie.  North Korea released embarrassing emails to the public of Sony executives' emails. 

As for why the Iran-U.S. violence will die out -- As I posted here on January 8th, the violence will die out as soon as Trump gets his intended effect -- which was to create a distraction from the impeachment and to impress the Senate hawks so they'd let him off quickly during the Senate trial.  Mission accomplished, squabble with Iran is over. Meanwhile his escalation of the conflict killed hundreds of people and caused terror around the world. 

 


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01/16/2020 11:06 pm  

Now the Pentagon says there were 11 injuries (casualties) in the Iranian attack on the US base in Iraq.  Previously they sad no casualties.  Most are being treated for concussions in Germany,  Boy that took a long time to come out and it hasn't even been reported in most of the media yet. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/service-members-injured-iran-strike/index.html


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01/29/2020 12:45 am  

50.  That is now the number of US military personnel who have now been diagnosed with concussions and traumatic brain injuries following the Iranian missile attack on US forces in Iraq earlier this month, according to a statement Tuesday from the Pentagon.

I love the support they are getting from the White House. Not. 


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