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06/05/2020 3:53 pm  

Isn’t the issue not so much if Biden wins will trump let go- but the likelihood of an unclear result. If some measure in contested then there’s a problem. I just watched the show The Great about Catherine the great and there is a line in it that I’m sure the writers meant for people to hear now: ‘ the first lie is the one they believe’. I don’t even need to explain how that resonates- and the danger it implies.


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06/05/2020 3:58 pm  

@lawrence  I'm really an amateur at visioning, but this morning while meditating, I saw the lower part of the White House looked black as if the blackness was creeping slowly up the facade.  After your post, I thought that maybe I did get something.


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06/05/2020 4:03 pm  

Hubris. The dam has burst, the elephant booty Jeanne predicted is on full display.

The Emperor has no clothes. 

EVERY day now, somebody grows a spine, finally. I am enjoying this as much as it can be enjoyed with grief in America feeling colossally large. I see a huge wave, tsunami cresting. 

Barr uses big words incorrectly. He does think he is the smartest in the room, also like Jeanne said.


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06/05/2020 4:20 pm  

I know that some see Trump as being scared to lose because he will then be exposed as a fraud.  I don't know if that is right or not, but I don't think he sees himself as a fraud.  His delusions of grandeur are very real in his brain. He truly sees himself as more intelligent--a truly stable genius and better informed (after all he had an uncle at MIT and that alone makes Trump--in his mind-- brilliant and well educated.  He knows more than scientists, more than the generals, etc.  In terms of future criminal charges, he truly believes that he knows how to handle them --by being a bully because that has worked numerous times in NY.  I think what he's MOST afraid of is all about APPEARANCE.  He couldn't stand the idea of being impeached.  He cannot stand the idea of losing at all so his solution is to fire the pollsters in order to get better polls.  He cannot stand when he's ridiculed (baby blimp drives him nuts).  The whole "holy walk" the other day was because he thought that when the Secret Service took him to the bunker, he looked weak.  His problem is he thinks that the only way to look strong is through bullying.  He doesn't have any kind of strategy.  He just reacts.  And, to me, that's what makes him so dangerous.  Steve Bannon thinks that he's capable of suicide if he deems the election loss to be too humiliating.  However, I suspect--with no credentials here--that he'll just delude himself into thinking he really won and the election was rigged.  He'll organize rallies to feed his ego and soak up the worshipers who he calls his base.  I guess we'll know in 5 months.  


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06/05/2020 4:21 pm  

@jeanne-mayell. Prince's name is on Twitter now.  I'll snoop.


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06/05/2020 4:29 pm  

@deetoo

Much respect for DC Mayor Muriel, a strong black woman, who has been advocating for non-violence!

Black Lives Matter 💛


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06/05/2020 4:38 pm  

@seeker4

Great vision. Keep going!  Cheers. 


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06/05/2020 4:41 pm  

@jeanne-mayell @triciact

I don't think I can really talk you down from your short-term fears. I've written before about why a coup or declaration of martial law will at most be temporary and will only serve to wash out the current dispensation from Washington. But still, any attempt at a coup/martial law can still lead to pain and fatalities, as Tricia pointed out. So I'll echo Seeker4: heed the red flags.

The topic of heeding our intuitions about foreboding has been on my mind; I just posted a new thread about a tropical storm that is heading across the Gulf of Mexico towards the US and has me concerned. Now isn't that ominous: a literal hurricane striking the country while all of this is going on. 


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06/05/2020 4:48 pm  

@jaidy  Exactly which is why Barr lied about the Mueller report before the facts could get out.  


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06/05/2020 4:49 pm  
Posted by: @polarberry

Did you all read what he said today about it being a "great day" for George Floyd? I am hard pressed to say anyone is beyond redemption but he is one sick f*ck.

Jeanne, I wish I could talk you down about the unidentified troops but it is alarming. T. is the frontman for some very scary stuff going on behind the scenes. I remember reading what you posted some time ago about Prince and I think we are seeing it.

@polarberry and @jeanne-mayell

As difficult as it is to know he could inflict some pain and death (hec he's already RESPONSIBLE for the deaths of approx 70K Americans with his mishandling of the virus) I feel he's "hanging himself" here now. I've actually spoken to folks who will no longer vote for him. Never thought I would hear that. Now Lisa Murkowski and Mitt Romney (very late to the party I might add and where were you during the vote for impeachment) are now saying they won't vote for him. Here's the thing - he is like a caged animal now with a thorn in his paw - he will strike out. We just have to be prepared!


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06/05/2020 5:08 pm  

@ghandigirl  Some are growing one of those self-serving spines because they now see that Trump may lose big, and several Senate races are also losing. I wonder if they are sincere or just trying to find the winning path for themselves.  Too negative?


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06/05/2020 5:48 pm  

@seeker4

"self-serving spines" 🤣 


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06/05/2020 6:14 pm  

@jeanne-mayell I don’t know if this will help, but I feel like trying to discern an intuitive vision from something I fear/dread is one of the hardest things for me to do. However, a lot of the fears I’ve had haven’t come to pass, and others have, but not in the extreme way I expected (I don’t know if that’s any consolation). For example, I was feeling a lot of dread about 2020, I kept trying to “see” my future and couldn’t see anything. It was like everything goes dark for some reason and I was afraid that maybe I couldn’t see myself in the future because I was going to die. Instead, COVID happened and rather than my death, it was the death of the life I knew and things haven’t turned out the way I imagined they would (in a good way). That said, this isn’t over yet and I do feel sick thinking about Eric Prince (or the orange menace in general), but I do feel that we may be getting closer to freedom and that things are accelerating. I’ll try not to give so much energy to my fears for the future and maybe that will help me to “see” more clearly(?). Anyway, I don’t know if this is helpful but I’m sending my best, most positive vibes your way. 🙂


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06/05/2020 6:17 pm  

Thank-you, dear community.  I know @vestralux has also never let go of her concern about Prince.  I had stopped harping on it on the main Prediction Page -- I had a paragraph about it every month for at least two years and then decided I've driven that point home enough.  But She mentioned her concerns less than a year ago.  

It's one of those dreads I've had that I keep wanting to go away. But I've never been able to imagine how Trump would ever leave. I know he won't be legitimately elected. He just isn't the person the majority wants.  When I say he won't leave, I think not only of him and his determination to become President for Life, but I also know that there are a group he has let into the back door of the U.S. who also want to keep their stranglehold on American money and power -- the Kremlin, Saudi Prince, and core leadership of the GOP.

But bottom line in this intuitive process: While my concern about Prince and Trump makes me afraid, my inner knowing that they are discussing how he will stay in office for life isn't an intuition that comes from fear. It is that I have heard him in my mind for years keeping Prince in his back pocket. I hear their conversations.  I hear Putin talking to T as well, giving him a playbook.  Their goal is an overthrow that looks like a democracy.   Putin did it to Russia. He holds elections and has a legislature and a judiciary but it is all a farce.

I'm not predicting that an overthrow will happen, just that I hear them planning. I hear their war games. They will only send out private troops to keep the president in office as a last resort.  But what he has now done in DC shows he really is gone from thinking and planning to testing it out.

Never ever ever ever again can a president have this kind of power. 


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06/05/2020 6:27 pm  
Posted by: @deetoo

This morning D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser formally renamed a street outside the White House “Black Lives Matter Plaza.”  She ordered city crews to paint the message in gigantic yellow letters down 16th Street.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/black-lives-matter-dc-street-white-house-trnd/index.html

 

I haven't used this word in quite awhile but this action...it is EPIC!


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06/05/2020 6:31 pm  

Guess what song is in my head right now? It really is the perfect song for this time, even though it was about the French Revolution.  

Every. Single Word.

Do you hear the People Sing 

(From Le Mis)

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes
Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see?
Then join in the fight
That will give you the right to be free
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes
Will you give all you can give
So that our banner may advance
Some will fall and some will live
Will you stand up and take your chance?
The blood of the martyrs
Will water the meadows of France
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes

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06/05/2020 6:34 pm  

seeker,

I agree with what you said, and especially about his delusions of grandeur. But I believe those delusions of grandeur are necessary for his mental survival, and it is him being exposed as a fraud and a phony on so many fronts that would absolutely devastate his appearance, his image.

Deep down, he knows what he is. He confirmed as much recently when he made those weird comments about his mother. If he was a secure, grounded person, self-confident, he wouldn't need to feed off the daily bluster, lies and insults. He is a very weak person. As we've all said many times here, bullies are cowards.


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06/05/2020 6:38 pm  

@seeker4  Forgive me if I am out of it, but I don't know who Millie is or what is Milie's memo or what that document is that you posted.  I deleted it because it doesn't have any links to the source, (and if anyone does provide links here, they need to be to legitimate news sources.) 

If you have a link to explain what it is and where it came from, then repost with my thanks.  Thanks for your efforts and everyone please be mindful of  posting sources to legitimate news if you think it is needed. Not every post needs a link.  So use discernment. 

The rumor mills are going crazy. 


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06/05/2020 7:24 pm  

Here's an article that we could all use -- not because of any misinformation I've seen here lately.  (I can't check it all.)  But it's worth everyone taking a moment to read this esp if you post on fb or twitter. Also you can be a big help here by flagging any important posts that don't have good back-up.  Truth is light!


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06/05/2020 7:26 pm  
 

It's one of those dreads I've had that I keep wanting to go away. But I've never been able to imagine how Trump would ever leave. I know he won't be legitimately elected. He just isn't the person the majority wants.  When I say he won't leave, I think not only of him and his determination to become President for Life, but I also know that there are a group he has let into the back door of the U.S. who also want to keep their stranglehold on American money and power -- the Kremlin, Saudi Prince, and core leadership of the GOP.

@jeanne-mayell I’m right there with you- the night he was elected, I had a feeling that he wouldn’t leave peacefully, no matter how he leaves. I can see a scenario where he is carted out by Secret Service, but it’s in no way guaranteed.

But bottom line in this intuitive process: While my concern about Prince and Trump makes me afraid, my inner knowing that they are discussing how he will stay in office for life isn't an intuition that comes from fear. It is that I have heard him in my mind for years keeping Prince in his back pocket. I hear their conversations.  I hear Putin talking to T as well, giving him a playbook.  Their goal is an overthrow that looks like a democracy.   Putin did it to Russia. He holds elections and has a legislature and a judiciary but it is all a farce.

I'm not predicting that an overthrow will happen, just that I hear them planning. I hear their war games. They will only send out private troops to keep the president in office as a last resort.  But what he has now done in DC shows he really is gone from thinking and planning to testing it out.

I know exactly what you mean- I can hear the plotting and it’s so scary knowing there are people in power actively plotting to do us harm. We are not safe, and to me that’s the worst feeling.

Lately, I’ve been thinking about Fiver in Watership Down (not sure how many of you know what I’m talking about). He sees the sign posted by the humans near his home and suddenly envisions the field covered in blood; he knows that no-one is safe and no-one listens to him (except a small group of bunnies). I’ve felt like him a lot over the last few years, especially. No one else seems to see the danger as clearly as us. I’m so glad I found this forum and I’m so grateful for all of you. <3


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06/05/2020 7:46 pm  

@jeanne-mayell

Thank you for saying what is hard to say, and harder to consider. We've talked about this many times since I have also been seeing visions of Prince since early 2017 related to his backdoor role as consigliere to DJT. Or rather, as DJT's "handler" and as consigliere to Putin, to powers above Putin (Semion Mogilevich), to the royal houses in UAE and Saudi Arabia, as well as to China. 

Prince makes William Barr look like a newborn kitten. 

But what he shares in common with Barr, Pompeo, and too many others who benefited from the 2016 attack on our elections (let's just call it what it is: an unacknowledged coup) is a brand of religious extremism/general worldview that is deeply illiberal, and therefore wholly regressive. In other words: it is, quite knowingly, anti-democratic, full stop.

But Prince is unique in that he no longer retains even a shred of loyalty to either country or party; only to power. And because we are still in the patriarchal epoch, there is no greater power than what can be obtained through the proliferation of mass warfare. It's the most profitable enterprise known to capitalism—but it is much, much more than that. (I'll spare you the dark occult references but suffice it to say that war is the very height of blood sacrifice.) 

Here are the things I've seen (and described here over the years):

 — I've seen Prince involved with an attempt to remove the Catholic Pope. I saw this happening in an opportunistic fashion as some type of major natural disaster occurs in Italy. 

 — I've seen Prince bringing trained mercenaries onto US soil after something having to do with China (possibly this was covid-19, but it could easily be something else).

 — And I've seen that the US would be dealing with violent uprisings beginning in the summer of 2020 and continuing through what feels like 2024 or 26. By "violent uprisings" I do NOT mean the current BLM/police brutality civic protests, however I feel certain that these events have provided the "opportunity" (much like a natural disaster) that Prince and the Dark Enlightenment have been eagerly waiting for. (Russia's active measures are used to radicalize those on the right and the left with the aim of promoting civil conflict.)

 

So, of course, when I saw the initial reports of unidentified troops in DC, I immediately thought of Prince and feared the worst. However, based on the photos I could find, I felt immediately that these men (at least the ones I was seeing) were actually US prison guards since a) most were in not-great physical shape and appeared to be numb, apathetic, mildly disgruntled, and even confused (a hallmark of the profession), and b) Barr has purview over prisons. Something tells me that an elite force of well-trained and highly-paid mercenaries will at least look the part. 

Now we have confirmation that Barr was ordering Bureau of Prisons correctional officers to DC and other cities for this purpose.

I do feel that some of Prince's soldiers are already here, and I suspect they're attempting to embed all over the country in different pockets and organizations. But the thing I keep coming back to is that they also have no explicit loyalty. They do what they do for the almighty dollar (the US has hired them to fight in our wars since well before T got installed to office). So, unless they're making millions (they're not) or have been thoroughly and successfully brainwashed (who can say), then what is to hold them on mission over the longterm? They'd have to also be true believers of the Bannon variety, which is more than possible. But in a time of maximum chaos and ultimate transition, minds and hearts can and will be changed.

My point: I'm not afraid the Prince faction will win. In the long run, I know absolutely that they won't. Evolution doesn't move in reverse. What I do believe is that the US will no longer be the world power it once was. And I'm fine with that. 

 

One last thing: Just before George Floyd's murder, I was sensing that China was considering launching cyber weapons. I believe that may have been forestalled due to the protests. Prince may have some connection to this, but that's much less clear. I also believe that the climate crisis will quickly out-stage all of this.

 


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06/05/2020 7:51 pm  

I don’t know if anyone here follows The Lincoln Project but they just released their latest video.  It is a comparison of the cowardly orange one and General Mattis.  It’s quite powerful.  I worry about the unidentifiable warriors, I use that term loosely and Eric Prince but knowing there are braver men like Mattis stepping up gives me hope.

 

if the Millie reference that was deleted is what I read this morning it is an eye popper!  Of course there is no way to tell if it is true.  We can only hope!


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06/05/2020 8:28 pm  

@jeanne-mayell Nothing to forgive.  Mark Milley is the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and was the general in camouflage who walked with Trump to the church.  I was quite dismayed to see him do that because everything I knew about him says he's honorable. He did not pose with the group in front of the church, but he was there.  However, afterwards, he sent a memo to all of the Joint Chiefs reminding them of what their duty clearly is. Most of the news reports say the memo was leaked, but I have to believe this was intentional because he's trying to find a way around Trump.  (My interpretation only.)  You can google the memo and find multiple sources, but here's one from the Wall Street Journal.  https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-leaders-send-missives-to-troops-stay-true-to-the-american-   people-11591297582  Here's the first paragraph which reads loudly and clearly: Do not follow Trump and what he is doing. We're committed to the Constitution, etc....  In my mind, he's letting us know that if Trump does go too far, the military might not follow what they would consider to be an illegal order.  Combine that with Gen. Mattis's statement in The Atlantic and, numerous other generals et. al. and Trump might find himself facing the full power of the military.  I don't know, I'm just speculating, but there is something in their regs about not following unlawful orders and, boy, it seems like Gen. Milley is reminding every branch of the military of just that.  Let's hope.


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06/05/2020 8:28 pm  

I think they "Millie" reference is about Gen. Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs. The one who strutted around with trump the other day in combat fatigues, and was then so ashamed he wrote a memo to all the troops affirming the military's support of diversity and the constitution. I couldn't find the link but try Googling it. It's quite a read.


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06/05/2020 8:33 pm  

@yogagirl  The Lincoln Project is composed of Republicans horrified by Trump.  Rick Wilson, who started the project, wrote the book entitled: Everything Trump Touches Dies.  These videos are terrific and Trump is outraged by them.  They've also got one on Moscow Mitch that is powerful. What I love about them is how hard hitting they are against Trump.  What I hate is that when this is all over, they will go back to being every bit as hard hitting against Democrats as they always were.  Dems just don't make videos like these.  


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06/05/2020 8:39 pm  

@nelysthealchemist then it's up to the military, and that's all there is to it.


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06/05/2020 8:43 pm  

People should (if you haven't already) read up on what happens if the President won't leave. For one thing he won't be President. Also if the Senate and House have gone Democrat, he has no chance of staying there for five extra minutes. I'm going to risk getting into trouble here by posting an excellent link that explains the whole process. We have plenty of other things to worry about before January 20. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-election-refusal-leave.html


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06/05/2020 9:07 pm  

@suspira44 good point- that’s a scary thought. Ugh. I feel so powerless. 


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06/05/2020 9:18 pm  

@seeker4.  I have seen all of the Lincoln Project videos and they really hit hard.  If I’m not mistaken Kelly Ann’s hubby is part of this.  
I saw another very moving video on Twitter this afternoon.  It was released by the commander of the Pacific Air Force .  He is a black man and gave a very moving testimony to his military commitment.  I can’t remember his name, I want to say Cooper or Cox.  It was very moving.

I misunderstood the Millie reference. I’m afraid I have no use for the General.  I thought the reference, for some strange unexplained reason, was referring to the post from a male escort calling on his brothers to expose a certain southern male congressman.  Hint he just died his hair.  My only excuse for the mixup is chemo brain kicking in again.  Sorry.


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06/05/2020 9:41 pm  

@suspira44  Thanks for this link.  I knew some of it, but not all.  I remember one of Jimmy Carter's staff members (can't remember who) said that one minute you have all the power you need and can call for a ride or whatever your want at a moment's notice, and the next no one is paying any attention to you and you are hailing a cab.  Yes, we have better things to think about, but I think reading this will help me do that.


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