I just read about the Supreme Court had already ruled this issue one June 2019
The Supreme Court upholds the double jeopardy rule that allows states and the federal government to prosecute for the same crime. The ruling could blunt President Trump's pardon powers.
WASHINGTON—Resoundingly reaffirming its view of double jeopardy, the Supreme Court ruled on Monday that federal and state governments each can prosecute a defendant for the identical conduct despite the Constitution’s bar against trying someone twice for the same crime.
So I guess it can be done??
Yes it can. This is why the Manhattan District atty (Cy Vance) and the NY State atty (Tish James) are all over trump. Whatever happens on a federal level, including him pardoning himself, he can't escape state accountability. I've heard Vance is kind of sketchy, and he's let the trump kids skate before, but James is not to be messed with. Gotta love NY!!
Morning ya'll. Just a few quick points that I'm sure probably could go on other threads but.....
I have thought all along "have faith in Pelosi, have faith in Pelosi, she knows what she is doing" After yesterday WOW she is tough. That picture was worth a thousand words. Powerful women, powerful message.
RIP Mr Cummings you were a true American and dedicated to our country. You will not be forgotten.
? Did anyone else by chance see the pubic service announcement during the debate Tuesday? The one with Ron Reagan Jr for a movement (sorry I can't remember the name) to separate state and church? When he said I am a life long atheist I almost fell out of my chair! I bet that burned a lot of evengelical cookies!
Nancy is right the dumpster had a meltdown! He looks so sick in that picture. His orange spray on is beginnig to look really pale. He also looks really bloated. Poor thing.
I'm no expert. The reason no one thought this law would hold up was just as someone said here, it was only a law because of Trump. But apparently it has held up.
One thing I heard, and I'm not sure if this is the reason the law went through -- people have asked, why can't anything be done about Trump not turning over his taxes, hiring all these relatives, not getting security clearance yada yada yada - the answer is simple. No president had ever done anything like that before - so there's no remedy. The pundit added that a lot of new laws were going to have to be passed. I'm not saying this is one but it might be the reason it held up - he has to be stopped. And I blame this runaway train on all of them for just letting him do what he wants, including private meetings with Putin.
So much of our system of gov't is reliant in norms and basic decency. Trump has none, and absolutely no shame and no concern for our quaint little norms. Whenever he's finally out of office, in addition to trying to repair everything he's smashed, lawmakers will have to codify so many of the norms to prevent any future president from doing the same.
Btw, today has been bonkers. Just when you keep thinking he's on borrowed time he creates more havoc. I hope this ends soon.
Apparently NY has a law on the books saying you could not be prosecuted if you get a presidential pardon. That was the loophole they closed.
Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced he signed legislation (S.4572/A.6653) to close New York's double jeopardy legal loophole that protects individuals who are pardoned by a President from being prosecuted at the state level for the same offense. This key reform, which was an Attorney General's program bill, gives New York prosecutors discretion to pursue prosecution of criminal acts where they have jurisdiction.
Think about it if Trump resigns or is voted out and comes back to NY and let’s say another president or Pence pardons him then he gets away with a lot of crimes in NY. This way he gets prosecuted no matter what. You know he has done many of his many crimes here.
It was just announced that Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) will take over as acting chairperson of the House Oversight Committee after Elijah Cummings untimely death. Normally, there would be a vote on the replacement, but Committee members say that will happen "later" which I assume means after the impeachment inquiry and vote.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/politics/cummings-death-oversight-committee.html
When I heard this my first thought was of the many predictions here over the last two years that female energy would rise and help hasten Trump's downfall.
Also, I heard and read several news reports today saying that right before he died, Cummings put together a report on his personal impressions and notes of the testimonies taken so far in the impeachment inquiry and made sure it was passed along to all of his committee members. He also arranged for further action on several ICE cases before the committee before he passed in hospice. What an amazing dedicated public servant we have lost.
OMG I know ya'll read the letter dump sent the Turkish preident. I am no letter writer (as you can tell by my awful spelling) but geez louise a third grader could have done better! Plus I know noone was fooled by this "agreement" on a pause for five days. Turkey told Pence what they will do and Pence just nodded his head yes master. What a total disgrace. Another Rep congressperson has come out this AM and condemned dump an his crew for their handling of the situation.
After Mulaneys(?) screw up and attempted walk back. And dumps assine remarks in Texas last nite, it looks like another clown will be kicked out of a clown car which is fast loosing it's wheels. The crowd last nite in Dallas was smaller than expected. Too Bad.
Oh, sometimes I just think "spelling be damned." What shines through your posts time and again is your intelligence and passion. You definitely know how to think and reason. ? I appreciate hearing from your democratic voice in Kentucky.
Ahhh thanks @BlueBelle. I don’t mind telling you this Democrat in Ky is a little nervous about the Governors election coming up next month. Our gov is a jerk and he is a shyster along the likes of Rand Paul. It’s funny I really can’t say I am nervous about MoscowMitch, I truly think he is on his way out. But Bevins is another can of beans. Send some light and good will to “my ole Kentucky home” please.
Republican Congressman Francis Rooney (FL) spoke out publicly today to say that he believes that the impeachment inquiry is warranted and necessary.
John Kasich, former Republican governor of Ohio, also said publicly today that he believes Trump should be impeached.
Republican Romney also gave a very impassioned speech about Trump today, calling for public hearings in the Senate regarding Trump's conversations with Turkey's Erdogan.
All just tiny cracks, but cracks none the less.
As I've mentioned previously, ever since Baba mentioned hearing the song "Blow the Man" down in a prediction, I've been waking up with the song on my mind and humming it subconsciously throughout the day.
This morning, however, I woke with these lyrics from a different song running around - LOUDLY - my head:
Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
But as sure as God made black and white
What's down in the dark will be brought to the light
Run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
Sooner or later God'll cut you down
@RosieHeart - I think you meant Johnny CASH?
Johnny Carson wasn't known for his songwriting... ?
Don’t forget yesterday confession by Mulvaney
On Thursday, White House acting chief of staff and Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney seemingly admitted in a press briefing to reporters that the administration engaged in a quid-pro-quo with Ukraine to trade US military aid for investigations.
He also elaborated that it is done all the time and to get over it.
Also, Rick Perry quit.
Energy Secretary Rick Perry said he contacted Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani at the president’s behest to talk about Ukraine—and then resigned. And European Union Ambassador Gordon Sondland told House investigators that Trump had delegated power over U.S. foreign policy in Ukraine to Giuliani, and added that it was “wrong” to link political requests to actions on Ukraine.
No one can stop that sinking ship..to many leaks and not enough plugs.
@RosieHeart - I think you meant Johnny CASH?
Johnny Carson wasn't known for his songwriting... ?
Oh my gosh - yes, Cash, not Carson! My mind must really be scrambled! Thanks for noticing that and for the good belly laugh when I read your post, Laura == it felt good to laugh at something silly for a change!
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Apologies for posting this in two places - here and in the Elijah Cummings section. It also belongs here because it's a cup of refreshing water to the thirsty warrior. I'm putting it here for anyone who needs a lift during the weary battles ahead.
At 2:17 he is speaking like a prophet to a teary Michael Cohen, "This is part of your destiny, and I mean that from the depths of my heart. When we are dancing with the angels, the question will be asked, In 2019 what did we do to make sure we kept our democracy in tact. If we stand on the sidelines and say nothing.
"This is not about liking or not liking the president. This is about democracy! This is about generations yet unborn. That is what this is all about! And I'm begging, I'm begging the American people to pay attention to what is going on. Because if you want to have a democracy in tact for your children and your children's children and generations yet unborn, we have got to guard this moment."