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(@polarberry)
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03/30/2020 2:08 pm  

Rowsella,

I don't know that much about him. I remember when he yelled, "You lie!" at President Obama. He comes across as a real a-hole.

From what I've seen of his Twitter account I would be hard-pressed to call him a NeverTrumper, imo. He spends his time kissing Twitler's backside and attacking Democrats, using all the typical right-wing, Russian propaganda talking points.


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(@seeker4)
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03/30/2020 2:18 pm  

@jeanne-mayell T terrifies me, but I get equally concerned about those who continue to support him no matter what he does.  Do you see any change in what I call Trumpites?  A handful are my friends and they keep telling me that I just don't understand him or that he simply has a different way of talking.  (Yeah, right!)  The ones I know are not dumb people so if they don't know now how T lies to them or how Fox lied to them, I just don't know what it would take.  


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(@kksali)
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03/30/2020 3:34 pm  

@polarberry. I lived in SC when he shouted that at Obama .   He is loved there by some.  IMO - he’s just like T. 

and speaking of T - how can he still be in the White House?  Why?  To what end?   Many of my friends are asking themselves the same question.  It’s surreal that the PINO can say and do the things he does without consequences.  


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03/30/2020 3:46 pm  

@lawrence

My husband has always referred to him as "the Toddler in Chief" 🤣 


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(@jeanne-mayell)
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03/30/2020 4:35 pm  

@seeker4. Thank you for your insights!  You can be as geeky as you want. I am always interested in polling. 

I don't know what questions are asked in each of these polls but I was once called and the questions boxed me in, so I hung up.  

I don't know about you, but have you ever been given a series of polling questions about the how the company handled a problem you called in for and they managed to skew the questions so you couldn't tell them that you were dissatisfied?  I never want to harm a customer service person who has to be on the front lines.  So what do you say when the customer service person did the best they could, which they always do,  but the company's setup has caused you to be harmed?  I just hang up or don't answer or I try in advance to find a supervisor to commend the customer service person so they don't get harmed but also I don't have to sing the praises of a company. 

Moral:  polling questions can control the answer. 


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(@jeanne-mayell)
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03/30/2020 4:41 pm  

Al Franken posted this about T's handling of the virus:

The Last Straw

Well, it finally isn’t funny anymore – the grandiosity, the ignorance, the cruelty, the bullying, the racism, the petty insults and incessant stupidity. But especially the non-stop lying.

The greatest asset that a president can bring to a crisis is credibility.

On Day One of his presidency, Donald Trump chose to pick a fight with the media about the size of his inaugural crowd. On the morning of January 21, 2017, after fewer than 24 hours in office, Trump sent out Sean Spicer to tell the press corps a laughable and easily disprovable lie – that Trump’s crowd was the largest in history ever to attend a presidential inaugural.

The very next day, Kellyanne Conway let Americans know of the existence of something called “alternative facts.” Oh. So, that’s how it’s going to be, huh?

Since then, the lies have come so fast and furious that keeping track has been impossible. How do you remember the last one when three or four equally ridiculous lies are almost certain to follow that day?

“Don’t take him literally,” his supporters insisted. “Take him seriously.” Really?

Well, no. What they really were saying was how happy they were that he would be appointing pro-life, pro-corporate Federalist Society judges, cutting taxes to benefit the wealthy, undoing regulations to help corporations exploit their employees and destroy our environment, and pulling us out of the Paris Agreement and the Iran Nuclear Deal.

That the President of the United States is a malignant narcissist who could allow no fact to stand that contradicted his insatiable need for self-aggrandizement has been of little concern to establishment Republicans. The stock market was climbing. They were getting richer. And they had cover from the right-wing media to fool enough of his base into believing his limitless dishonesty.

At this year’s State of the Union, the First Lady bestowed upon Rush Limbaugh the Presidential Medal of Freedom, an honor he now shares with Mother Teresa, Cesar Chavez, and the crew of Apollo 13. In 1995, I wrote a book entitled Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations for a reason – the same reason that I wrote Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them – A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right a few years later. Without Rush, without O’Reilly, without Hannity, without Newsmax, Breitbart, and InfoWars there would be no Trump.

Until this crisis, Trump has paid no real price for his constant, pathological mendacity. Before politics, the man had spent his entire career in a business where, evidently, there was no accountability for inveterate lying.

But for this crisis there is accountability. And instead of leading, Donald Trump’s focus has been where it always has been – on Donald Trump. “I give myself a ten out of ten.” “We are very close to a vaccine.” “I don’t take responsibility at all.” “Anybody who needs a test can get a test. And the tests are perfect. Like the letter was perfect. The transcript was perfect.”

Of course, no leader could have prevented the devastation that this virus has and will continue to exact. But because Trump’s focus has been on himself, his reelection, and his fragile self-image, our federal government squandered our most valuable commodity.  And the amount of suffering which that lost time will cost our nation is as tragic as it is unknowable.

Trump will not step away. He will continue to take the stage and our focus – but he will not be able to claim the credibility he never earned. We are left to proceed despite our president and find the leadership we need elsewhere. From governors and mayors and other civil servants. From health care professionals and scientists and economists. From community leaders and each other.

It is time for each of us to step up and fill the vacuum at the top – first by staying home. And for those fortunate enough to weather this storm financially – to help those who cannot.

Lest we forget Trump’s Houdini-like ability to escape the traps he’s set for himself, it is also time for us to commit to his defeat in November. For now, find a way to do that from home. But when it’s time to come out into the light, it must be our collective mission to make this godawful human being pay the price for every lie he has ever uttered.


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(@seeker4)
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03/30/2020 6:06 pm  

@jeanne-mayell That sounds perfectly fine.  Since I went cell phone only, I haven't had nearly as many survey phone calls.  Most are on line and most give a place for comments now.  I've found recently that campaign fund raisers start with Please answer this survey.  We need to know.  But they always get to the main point: Will you donate.  I don't answer those anymore.  

Bad polling questions control the answer.  Those pollsters are simply dishonest and unethical.  


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(@seeker4)
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03/30/2020 6:11 pm  

@jeanne-mayell Al Franken says it all, and he says it all accurately.  BTW: I do believe that T will lose the election, but I'm concerned about what he will do between that loss and the inauguration.  I get the feeling that he will be at his most dangerous at that time.  Any insights?


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