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05/02/2019 10:14 am  

Agree Lawrence.  I get the feeling he and Mitch are going to try the blame Obama game  again, Mitch has already started in his campaign with anti-Obama reteric.  I don't think they realize that people are tired of it.  Jerking away peoples healthcare is going to be the key.  even here in Kentucky the ACA was a success.  It wasn't perfect but it worked for a lot of people.  Take away the pre-existing condition protection and people are going to scream.  Trumps annoucnement of if you want to see great health care reelect me but I won't tell you what it is until you do is  joke .  I really don't think the Reps are in tune at all with the people of this country, just the rich ones!


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05/02/2019 10:39 am  

Jeanne, I am a HUGE admirer of this site and your readings and find such comfort in your interpretations of present and future events. I wanted to throw in a non-intuitive take on the Mueller report however.  I remember at one point you said you weren't going to read it or even watch the news about it (a healthy decision!) and don't know if you have since changed your mind, but--- (and I by no means think Mueller is a white knight. He was involved in several of the decisions to round up Muslim men after 9/11 etc.) BUT I ended up reading his introduction to the obstruction investigation.

I am a lawyer (for migrant farmworkers) so I am always interested in law, language and details.

Mueller's report did NOT exonerate Trump and it did not shirk responsibility in the way he has been portrayed. I view it as a legal masterpiece that leaves open the door for future prosecution of the cheeto in chief. Mueller, abiding by longstanding DOJ principle, did not deem it permissible to indict a sitting president, and because the president can't be indicted he did not think it would be fair to accuse someone of a crime that, because they can't be indicted, they can't defend themselves against - basically he views it as a due process dilemma. So it wasn't that he didn't come to any conclusion, it was that he did not think it fair to come to a conclusion; the investigation was led not with an end goal to indict, but rather to uncover the facts.

He specifically says that he believes a president CAN be indicted once out of office and that the facts are there for the appropriate prosecutors to determine whether to indict in the future. Until I read his own words, I too thought he had abdicated responsibility but I was amazed at the report. I don't think he was cowed at all, I think he laid out everything that anyone needs to prosecute cheetolini.

The Real problem, as we now know Mueller pointed out in his letter to Barr, is that Barr and Trump managed to "prime" the nation by getting out their own false narrative weeks before anyone was even allowed to review the report. That has been enormously damaging. I imagine that most people, esp. trump-supporters, have moved on and will not believe anything to the contrary. Heck, even I was buying the line until I read the report myself.

Sorry this is so long - I just wanted to suggest that Mueller did not cower the way the media has said he did and that, from a legal standpoint, he has laid out a great case for obstruction of justice.

I also believe that whether he reviewed Trump's tax returns or not (I don't know), he has funneled out anything he came across to the appropriate jurisdictions to handle. I can't say I have total faith that everything will come out because right now it feels like the insurgents have a real lockdown on this country, but I do think the wheels are still turning. 


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05/02/2019 1:45 pm  

Meliaamal, thank you for posting and a hearty welcome to the forum.   Your analysis is helpful and fits what I said in front of a Youtube camera at the end of December when making predictions for the coming year. I uttered predictions that fit what you have written here,  but I was channeling rather than working from logic. The words were flowing through me spontaneously.  Often those kinds of readings are more reliable over time. 

I said that Mueller, "our hero" would be hampered in some way, but not to worry because he's spread the information around and his work will bear fruit down the road.

 Then as real time marched forward and we found ourselves in late March and April,  the unfolding of disappointing events took over my perspective. Also I had that dream in February where I saw him cleaning gutters then falling over and becoming ineffective at the job.

  I definitely need to go through the report to look for the details you are seeing. I still don't get why he didn't interview Don Jr, Jared and Ivanka or what happened to his intention to follow the Trump money.   Will check the report and see what I can glean from it between the lines. 

Your comment about the report giving other jurisdictions the information to indict later reminds me that in the same reading (December 29, 2018) I also saw in the fall of 2020 that an impending  blue Senate and House would mean Trump would want to get out office because he would know that he'd have to face true exposure.


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05/03/2019 1:33 pm  

I found a free audio broadcast of the Mueller Report here and if you have an apple computer or iPhone go here 

For many people, an audio version is a better way to read long narratives while out walking,  exercising or in your car.  So hope this helps.  I’m going through it.  


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05/03/2019 4:33 pm  

This morning during my semi-wakeful, semi-sleeping cycle, I heard the words, "Mueller is not done," which is so encouraging.  It's been a tough week watching the administration's victory laps and arrogance.  This whole charade of the Mueller report being done and finalized is just that and as misleading as Bush's "Mission Accomplished."  It's hard to be patient and it's hard not to be overwhelmed by negative events.  However, I do believe that we are receiving intuitive messages of encouragement to share on this site.  

Yesterday, I also did a meditation and RV exercise and then threw cards this morning.  Will find an appropriate place on the site for that.


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05/03/2019 5:09 pm  

Thank you so much, BlueBelle, for sharing your audio message.  It's encouraging.  This morning a credible YouTube psychic said the exact same thing:  Mueller's not done.  She also shared a vision she had of Mueller during his congressional testimony.  She saw him as a commanding, dramatic, and overwhelming dragon.  I don't know anything about dragon mythology or symbolism, but in my mind, I imagined a grand and scary flying dragon like the ones on Game of Thrones.  She also re-iterated her vision of leaking whereby any attempts by team trump to stop Mueller from talking will result in a flood of unstoppable leaks -- like they're coming from from a sprinkler that can't be turned off.  


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05/03/2019 7:06 pm  

    I sincerely hope that leaders in the U.S. House won't lose sight of what's most important. Since William Barr doesn't seem to be fighting against Robert Mueller's appearance, getting Mueller to testify now is far more important than attempting to punish William Barr for contempt of Congress because he refused to appear before the House. We still got useful information from William Barr during his Senate appearance.


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05/05/2019 3:24 am  

This has been such a difficult time for Mueller.

I realized tonight that it had been awhile since I thought of Mueller, the human being.   I briefly lost sight of this person who has the weight of the nation on his shoulders.   He will need a great deal of love and light to battle through testifying in front of congress and whatever else is thrown in his path.   His family will need these things  as well because they will be  his rock, his inspiration when he can't see the light or feel the love or questions the path he is walking.  

May Mueller walk the path of a heart warrior with the love, prayers, thoughts and light of a grateful nation.  A grateful world.  We are living in a time of greatness, we just may not know it yet.  He is our present day  Lincoln,  MKL, Washington,  Churchill, Rosa Parks , and Sojourner Truth.  Imperfect human beings who inspired a nation during dark times.

I will visualize the Lady of Justice balancing  her scales, guiding Mueller down a brilliant path of  light  radiating through  her fiercely held sword .  


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05/05/2019 11:28 pm  

Yogagirl, you gave me the first smile I've had in a while about this stuff (and a little tear). Thank you, typos and all. 


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05/06/2019 9:57 am  

I agree we all need to send all the good vibes, light and courage we can send to Mueller.  It's awful to think what they (the Reps) have done to this fine man.  It's going to take a lot of guts to testify when the Dictator of the US and His handler Vlad want to arrest him.  I think he will testify and I think it will be a HUGH blow to Barr and Trump.  This last trick with Putin and North Korea has put Trump in a very dark light.  I believe he thinks he is equal to those evil bastards but I also believe they are laughing at him.  NK sent test missles flying at Japan, one of our allies, just to test Trump and his loyalties.  Trump fell into line and  praised NK.  

Remember when G W Bush named his "axis of evil" and all the Reps cheered?  Remember when Mitch called Vlad a "thug"?  It's amazing what a lot of money will do!  

This will be a rough week.  I hope that the Dems grow a spine and charge Barr with contemp and then follow through with the Federal Marshalls. I believe that is  who will be in charge of arresting him but I may be wrong.

One other thing before I go outside and weed my garden for the THIRD time this spring.  Has anyone gotten any intuition on the 14 other investigations that Mueller handed off and are still on going?  (I believe that is what I heard).  I heard a very interesting theory on those.  Someone I am in book club with whose husband is a procecuter stated her husbands theory is one of them has to do with Justice Kennedy stepping down.  His son works for Deuch (?) bank and has had dealings withTrumpa  and his minions (my name for his off spring) .  Supposedly a week before he stepped down Ivanka went to see him.  My friend believes they have proof that promises were made for protection of the son if he stepped down so he could be replaced by someone more approved of by the administration.  Just a theory but an interesting one.

Well we only have one day of sunshine this week so I have to go take advantage.  Peace be with you.


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05/06/2019 11:40 am  

Yogagirl: I had a flash when reading your last post about the Deutsch Bank /Justice Kennedy theory, there were a couple credible youtube psychics who said a while back (and continue to say it) that Kavanaugh won't last. I have given up on even thinking about that since he is there and has been now for a while. But when reading your post it hit me how he could possibly be removed - if what you say comes true/out then I wonder if that would affect his appointment?  I also wonder when DJT does go down (not by impeachment) but I personally always saw the MONEY as the reason (follow the money...) if what comes out affects many things he did, if perhaps it nullifies some of what he installed while in office.  I also get the feeling Kushner will be affected by wherever the money trail leads....Wondering if anyone else sees anything about this?

Lets pray for Mueller and that his testimony rocks DJT's world and exposes him and his minions...pray for his safety and that he tells us the truth and ALL the truth!

 


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05/06/2019 12:12 pm  
Posted by: Jeanne Mayell

It will push us towards the vision I saw long ago of our country breaking up into regions.  I will continue this discussion in this thread - How the Scotus Census question will affect our next elections.

I had chills when I read this part. Some years ago (4+ years) a good friend of mine who was extremely psychic and sensitive told me there was a good possibility that this would happen. So to hear you say it as well Jeanne is fascinating.

They said the states would likely move to become more self-governing, almost like independent states, and even the possibility of civil war at some point. I admit I dismissed the idea at the time, I just couldn't see that happening. But that's what they saw (and this person was rarely wrong in their insights). But I never in my wildest dreams would I have ever believed DT would one day become president either and here we are!!!

You never know what is around the corner...


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05/06/2019 12:58 pm  

The Mueller Report has an unfortunate twist that opened the report up for the president's enablers, especially the Attorney General, to distort the findings and make it look like the president was cleared of wrongdoing.  

...we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes.-- The Mueller Report page 213

Mueller decided  not to follow normal prosecutorial procedures to make a judgement about the president's guilt because of an Office of Legal Counsel opinion. His reasoning is convoluted and opened him up to GOP exploitation.: 

  1.  It was a given that a sitting president may not be indicted. [Me to community: I'm not clear who decided this?]
  2. Since the president can't be indicted, then the special investigator can not make any judgement about the president's guilt during his investigation.
  3. He can't make a judgement about guilt because if he did so then the president would not be able to defend himself in court, because there wouldn't be trial.  He also felt that it would be nearly impossible for Trump to get a fair trial in the future because of the public nature of the investigation.

In other words, it wouldn't be fair to  Donald Trump.  

(4) So in the end, Mueller concluded that he could not charge the president  with anything, although he also wrote that he could not exonerate him. 

Mueller was counting on a just system, not the Wild West that we have right now. 

Of course he makes it clear that the president can be indicted after he leaves office, and he says he provided the facts that they found so a prosecutor could use them in the future.  

It was an unfortunate decision for our country, given how the Republican spin machine reacts. It fits the dreams Bluebelle and I each had about Mueller being wounded and unable to finish the job. 

 

 


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05/06/2019 1:30 pm  

My question is why does everyone say we can't indict a sitting president? I googled the question and many law blogs claim you can, that there is nothing in the constitution that says a sitting POTUS can't be indicted for a serious crime.  I wonder why this issue is not being discussed by the dems too? 


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05/06/2019 2:08 pm  

TriciaCT, that's right that the Constitution does not prohibit a sitting president from being criminally indicted. The prohibition comes from a DOJ policy written in 1973 amidst the Watergate scandal. The DOJ thought it would imperil democracy and violate the separation of powers (because removal of a president should be left to Congress, who has the power of impeachment). The policy is binding on DOJ employees (for now). 

Also, Jeanne, I meant to say that there are some credible rumors coming from prosecutors who read the Mueller memo that indicate that Barr DID end the Mueller investigation early, so you probably have a hit on that as well.

And has everyone seen that 370+ federal prosecutors (from both parties) have signed a statement saying that Mueller's findings would have led to charges of obstruction of justice against the president were it not for the aforementioned DOJ policy? Just remember, he can still be indicted if he is voted out.


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05/06/2019 4:16 pm  

Jeanne and BlueBelle,

I heard Rachel Maddow say on two separate occasions last week that Mueller may have been told to close his investigation sooner than he had planned, shortly after Barr was confirmed, possibly in March.  If that ends up being true, then that speaks to the dreams you both had concerning Mueller.  I've also had a strong feeling that Mueller was told to "wrap it up" sooner than what he had intended.  Rachel said reporters were further investigating that information and she would come back with an update.  The last thing I heard her say about the topic is that Congress might ask Mueller that question when he comes to testify.  I certainly hope so.


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05/07/2019 3:46 pm  

I've had a knowing for years now and these past few weeks that knowing has been pounding in my head that the Republicans will do everything they can to stay in power - even if it means breaking the Constitution, as long as they can get away with it.  I don't know if I'm saying anything new here, but it's so strong in my psyche that I thought it best to post it.  I am confident that their reign will end down the road, but I feel they will not give Trump or their power away without resorting to extraordinary actions first. 

Regarding the Mueller Report, they will in the short term prevent this president's crimes from being exposed and try to keep him in office throughout this term.  They will do everything they can to prevent the House of Representatives from exposing him. They will prohibit anyone including Mueller from testifying.  They will fail to show up for any hearings that they deem to be not legally required and if they do show up, they will demur and lie.  They will walk the knife edge of law.  

They will fabricate legal arguments and push the envelope of the Constitution as far as they can.  If they have to break the Constitution, they will, as long as they convince some people that what they are doing is legal and ultimately the Supreme Court will decide what is legal. 

 I see that there are predictions from Read the Future nights that Trump is going down soon. I wish I could see that.  

As for the Mueller decision that they cannot indict a sitting president, there are opposing opinions on this issue. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment-explainer/can-a-sitting-us-president-face-criminal-charges-idUSKCN1QF1D3


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05/07/2019 4:06 pm  

The Founders were clear - if tyrants take power, overthrow them. It's unfortunate that the revolutionary spirit is dead, the only vestige of it is the right-wing nutbar desire to install theocracy.


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05/07/2019 4:25 pm  

Deliverance comes down to the elections. With a blue wave in the whole Congress, he will be removed from office and then prosecuted. With a blue wave in the Congress,  progressive judges will be confirmed. We need to have a blue wave or else we are in for four more years.  Still I am confident, not just hoping but confident, that the trump/GOP nightmare will end and that it will wash clean so much that’s gone wrong over the past 40 years.  


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05/07/2019 7:48 pm  

I've had some thoughts on what is happening and so I hope it's ok to post them here.  I was convinced that Mueller's report was going to be Twitler's undoing, and was heartsick when Barr was confirmed, as it seemed pretty obvious why Twitler wanted him and why Barr auditioned for the job in the first place.

I don't normally discuss religion because I am highly respectful of people's beliefs, or non-beliefs, as the case may be.  I am a rapture-believing Christian who loathes Donald Trump.  It is beyond my comprehension how anyone who says they are Christian could support this unbelievably evil man.  But of late, I have been wondering if the visions that Jeanne and others have had of a healed, loving world are post-rapture.

I can't stop thinking about what the blind Bosnian psychic  predicted about Twitler being the last American president.  I don't know if she was credible.  But either that meant he will declare himself dictator, or that this is it.

Anyway, Jeanne is correct about the Repubs.  They will use any means necessary to stay in power.  They have long stopped caring about democracy or patriotism or principle or morals.  They sold the USA for profit and they are fine with it


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