Love Mayor Pete's intelligence and vibrant spiritual energy. Like others here, he gave me hope and healing after these two dreadful years of negativity. Also have good vibs from Harris. Thinking this might be the winning ticket. I also told a friend recently that a GOP candidate will run against T and cause him considerable damage. Heard that Weld just announced today. And important to remember, T has rapidly declining cognitive abilities. As I've stated before, I feel he has dementia like his father and it's quite advanced. T may not even be the picture.
I have been hearing about this man. I have not really been paying much attention to the candidates.. just going on general feelings.
I did watch a town hall with Amy Klobochar and liked her, she seems like one of those people who puts her head down and works her butt off and is grudgingly given credit. Kirsten Gillibrand is also like that. She could do a great job but I think she will bow out early on. Her outspokenness/spokesperson in the Senate on MeToo and Franken.. I think it is held against her despite it being all of the Democrats in the Senate that recommended he resign after about 15 women came out.
I have a lot of respect for Elizabeth Warren but feel she will be "Hilloried"
Beto... well, I am sure he is a great guy and all but not enough ummm.. gravitas? His fans love all the live video and moment to moment Beto.. it seems a bit narcissistic to others. Playing a young Bobby Kennedy type on YouTube is not exactly the same as being a young Bobby Kennedy type.
(I guess I am a bit of a curmudgeon and not at all excited/entranced with the young congresspeople's social media skills. I feel like they come off half-cocked. They are very passionate but intemperate in their communications.)
Kamala Harris- I am impressed with her intellect and communications skills. She is really high functioning in every role she takes on-- a hard worker. I don't know how relatable she will be for the Midwest. I see her taking on criticism from the Bernie Sanders crowd as not passing a purity test.
Bernie Sanders- I am not enthused with this candidate. He is raising a lot of money right now but as the race tightens, I can see him being superseded. He is having his moment in the sun right now but he seems as prickly/sensitive/secretive as Trump.
Joe Biden- I have some affection for him but ultimately, I don't feel him winning the primaries.
Inslee-- I think he is the guy who wants to put Repubicans in his cabinet--nonstarter.
Mayor Pete... he is getting a lot of buzz but I cannot picture him, will have to check him out -- I have no feelings about him yet.
Schultz-- he may have a book coming out he wants to sell.
Booker-- I think he will exit like Gillibrand. His stand on some issues are widely criticized as being influenced or protecting some corporate interests and I don't know that he will be able to overcome this. He is a capable leader, maybe just not the one for this cycle.
I can't keep up with all the rest/not really serious contenders.
I love this analysis, Rowsella. It's so clear-eyed and level-headed. And I can't agree more with your takes on Beto and Bernie.
As for Buttigieg, keep on eye on him. There's been some speculation on this forum that he will be a strong dark-horse candidate. I haven't watched any of his speeches, but everyone seems to be gushing about his combination of Midwestern pragmatism and coastal sensibilities (he is openly gay and married).
If you haven't seen Pete yet, check out his full interview with Rachel Maddow. It's incredibly strong.
Has anyone thrown cards about him yet? I did because I was worried that he may be too good to be true... I'm still a novice so not sure what to make of it but I did get a lot of money cards, partnership and some mystery associated with it: Queen of Pentacles came up twice, 10 of Pentacles, four of pentacles, the Moon, and Two of cups.
At the same time, every time I hear him speak I am more and more impressed.
I am really guarded when I hear about people "swooning" over a candidate. Finding their take on the issues --and being interested is one thing. I just feel that checking off all the boxes on identity politics is probably the wrong approach. I don't want to fall in love with a candidate, I want to feel energised by their ideas and passion for the people and traditional ideals of this country.
Has anyone thrown cards about him yet?
I did a celtic cross reading on how he would do in the presidential race. Challenges/obstacles were Ace Cups which I felt was about perception and emotion, more specifically in this reading lack of clarity, (I dont' do reversals, so I think if I had this would have been Ace Cups reversed). And also interestingly the imagery was conveying a sense of fragility, and also people just swimming past, like ignoring something. Perhaps this is about voters not seeing his message clearly, or generally being delusional about something such that it makes his run difficult, or perhaps just not being interested enough in his message? It felt more about outside challenges to Pete rather than his own challenges.
The outcome card (i.e. the most likely result of the race be for him) was the Devil. I got a feeling of him not being in control, perhaps being 'hung out to dry', or all the things he fears coming true.
The connection between these two is interesting: The Ace conveyed a sense of delusion, and the devil card can also imply delusion. It suggests challenges are not resolved such that the outcome results in the devil energies.
It's difficult to know what it means really as events might occur which fit with this in ways I couldn't anticipate, and things can change over time. So I'll just have to see!
I hope others can add their predictions too.
I am glad that the issues Mayor Pete brings to the table add to the conversation our country needs to be having regardless of whether he succeeds in obtaining the democratic nomination which I think is unlikely at this point.
I want a candidate that can and will defeat what we currently have regardless of who it is. Any one of them has the intent and capacity to move this country forward and begin to restore our democracy.
I am more concerned about the people who have elected and sustained this administration. That mindset will not disappear with a new election.
I think I would feel better about him if he had a governorship under his belt. I want a qualified candidate. He has been Mayor for a little while... so was Sarah Palin and then she was elected to Alaska state governor. Granted that state is way less populous. Let's see if he has at least a wider appeal across his state. He is young yet. I think I would like to see someone who is not a millennial and not a baby boomer in the Democratic candidacy--a Gen Xer.
Im not big on Mayor Pete for one major reason. His candidacy will be divisive to the party and I feel he would lose to Trump and the rabid base. Politics and views aside, he is too drastic a change from the old norm and as much as the left and center hates Trump, Pete will be a stretch for many to vote for and wont get the overall turnout needed to win. He is also somewhat isolating the Bernie vote, which will keep them home as well. His being gay will also increase the turnout from the Trumpets because theres no way they let a gay man beat their savior.
We need someone that doesnt directly scare the right, so they stay stupid and complacent, while not ionizing any the left and getting them all out to the polls to vote against Trump as much as for the candidate. I think this is also why people have been saying that the 2020 winner will not be the force expected. Anyone that is drastic enough to change things immediately will polarize too many voters to win against the base, the 3rd party, and the Russian aid.
Bumping this thread to post this article praising Buttigieg, and to compliment Melissa and others who predicted Pete Buttigieg would gain notoriety back when no-one knew who he was.
He's so popular at this point that even Mango himself is starting to attack him directly.
I don't know where he will end up, but I do remember back in 2017 when we were doing remote viewing of the 2021 Inauguration, that I saw a dark haired man in military uniform trotting on a horse down Pennsylvania Avenue towards the Inaugural platform. I didn't see him on the platform being inaugurated, but he is going to make progress.
Someone later pointed out that I might have been seeing a metaphor for a "dark horse" candidate. Correction: I went back and checked my 2017 vision and the dark haired military man on the horse was in 2025.
"I saw a dark haired man in military uniform trotting on a horse down Pennsylvania Avenue towards the Inaugural platform. I didn't see him on the platform being inaugurated, but he is going to make progress."
Thanks for sharing that again, Jeanne. Really interesting. I wonder if seeing Pete Buttigieg riding towards the inauguration on a horse could be the "dark horse" metaphor, and not necessarily mean he won't be inaugurated. Is there a thread summarizing who people see winning in 2020?
I'm not in love with Biden or Sanders for various reasons, but most compelling to me is age. At 56 myself, and having cared for our parents in their declining years, I'd rather see someone younger in the role. Both Sanders and Biden would hit their 80s while in office. I like Harris and Beto as well as Pete.
I've been following Pete pretty closely since watching his announcement speech. I'm very involved with the LGBTQ community, so I heard about him just before he announced. I picked up the audiobook of his book "Shortest Way Home," which he reads himself, and was very impressed with his education, military service, and some of his innovative ideas as mayor. Mostly, he just seems to genuinely speak from a good heart and committment to service.
I think the best interview I've seen is the one done by Jonathan Capehart. Here's a link: https://www.facebook.com/92ndstreetY/videos/were-live-join-mayor-pete-buttigieg-in-conversation-with-jonathan-capehart/453137265462243/
Has anyone thrown cards or done a chart on Buttigieg and have any thoughts or predictions on his chances in 2020 and his long-term career? I'd be really interested to hear that. A lot of people are saying that, regardless of what happens in 2020, he'll be a dem to watch in the future.
As of today, Buttigieg's up to 3rd place (behind Biden and Sanders) in the national poll and last week he was also 3rd in Iowa and NH. It's definitely getting interesting.
My intuition agrees with Lawrence. I don't see T getting a second term. And I feel like he might not even make it through the election. I don't think his ego could bear a defeat, so he might bail before that can happen. It likely depends on what his poll #'s are as we get closer to the election, how confident he is that the Russians can hack the vote, who the dem nom is, and what other factors/scandals have come out from congress to drop his ratings.
I feel like having to go head-to-head with Buttigieg would be much scarier for Trump than going head-to-head with Biden. Because, on stage, the difference between their respective youth, vitality, honestly, and intellect would make Trump look very bad.
Trump is also looking very unwell, like at that "prayer" event he went to in his golf clothes. https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06/trump-david-platt-prayer-pastors.html
But this may be wishful thinking on my part. I didn't think Trump would last this long and obviously, I was wrong.
Did anyone happen to see Chris Matthews' town hall with Mayor Pete in Fresno yesterday evening? If you can find it on the internet, it's worth watching. I almost wasn't going to watch because Matthews can drive me crazy with his rude interruptions. Fortunately Matthews behaved himself. The town hall was wonderful. Buttigieg handled some tough questions very thoughtfully and honestly. The more I hear from Mayor Pete, the more I like him. At one point I looked at my husband and said, "He makes me feel so peaceful." Similar to the way I felt when Obama was in office. As Jeanne stated, "Mental illness would drop just on the basis of a more peaceful manner in the WH." Of course, you could say that about any of the Dems who are currently running, as well as the Republican Bill Weld.
Yes, that MSNBC town hall was very good. I know I have seen links around today.
Below is the moment that defined him for me, though. Interviewer Jonathan Capehart asks Pete what he would say about the call Franklin Graham made for him to repent for his gay marriage. It's at 55:30 at the link below. Such a grounded sense of ease in who he is and genuine emotion and spiritual thoughtfulness.
@JHolmes, thanks for that link. I just watched the part you cited, and I agree with you. Pete is so grounded in his humanity and spirit that he is able to freely and generously extend himself to others. I also like Capehart, and plan to watch the entire Buttigieg interview.
How much I miss that thoughtfulness and compassion!