Just coming back to the forum and seeing a new threat on Kushner and I was thinking: we need a thread of Kushner AND Ivanka. I think between her father and husband, both unraveling in their own ways she knows a very dark future is in front of her. Yes, she is very privileged and complicit but she is also a mother and concerned for her children, as she should be. The future of her children is without her dad and her husband and possibly without her. She is not in a good shape, I feel she and Melania don't get along very well. Melania knowing very well who she married but this pressure is too much for her, too. She also has her son's wellbeing prioritized (knowing her husband is sleeping around is one thing, having this discussed all over the world, however, is something she feels is detrimental to her son's upbringing). Ivanka's worry about her children is putting her over the edge.
Zoron, I hope your dream doesn't mean that she want's to retreat from life. She cares about her children, but the shame and pressure...
I get both Melania and Ivanka are concerned about the wellbeing of their children. But Ivanka did stuff that will get/ got her into legal trouble big time. She did it knowing it was shady (and shady business not new to any Trump kids but it's the first time they have to deal with its consequences and they are not ready) but now she is on the line for it. All is falling apart, and with it, her too. Is she going to be separated from her kids? It's a possibility and it's too much for her.
I also look forward to seeing Ivanka Trump face justice. After a person understands the damage she and her husband have inflicted on others, all in order to live a privileged lifestyle, then let the compassion for her begin. I want to feel compassion for her. I know that eventually I will. But I'm not there yet.
This L.A. Times op-ed article summarizes Ivanka's role of legitimizing the underworld crime bosses of the world. In one part of the world, we have gangsters and kleptocrats whose fortunes are built on plunder, bribery, electoral fraud, and murder. These creeps then rely on the likes of Ivanka who dresses and speaks nice, sends her kids to the best schools, and invites these criminals to the West to put their money into seemingly legitimate projects. She is one of those transition people who makes her living transitioning some of the world's worst criminals into acceptable society, then their money laundered earnings appear to be legit rather than criminal. As the LA Times reported, "It's impossible to keep track of all the gangsters Ivanka has palled around with. But what's truly damning are the shady real-estate projects she has made rise and go forth."
As for Zoron's dream. First Zoron has uncanny clarity, so I take this dream seriously. Still, I don't think she is going to suffer any physical harm, from others or from herself. I wouldn't be surprised if she had first hand knowledge about the dealings of criminals who might want her harmed if she were to talk. But I think the dream may be about how she is going to be publicly exposed and shamed. Once the public realizes she's not the fair princess she appears to be, she may go into hiding from public view. Then people will be knocking on her door looking for her. That news is starting to surface, such as in the LA Times article.
Maybe the dream has to do with Ivanka's utter cluelessness. People in the dream, banging on the door of the hotel room, very concerned ---- to me, that image means "Wake up, girl, and face the music. We are very concerned about your obliviousness." She goes around smiling and pretending everything is fine and grand. She churns out tweets that completely ignore the public's irritation with nepotism. She makes statements that seem to anger everyone and question her morals. She is living in serious denial of reality. I don't understand why she just doesn't leave the WH.
Gigi, your interpretation makes much more sense to me -- they are friends of hers trying to wake her up. I read one interview with someone who worked for her. She said Ivanka and Jared are very good at compartmentalizing. They separated from themselves.
I do feel that Ivanka and Jared (though it's less obvious) compartmentalize things so much that they can't face reality. In one sense I'm extremely sick of both of them and their complicity in this evil administration. But then in another sense I see how they are incapable of seeing the writing on the wall. Ivanka has been used to being spoiled, as a beautiful woman she has been used to gentle treatment especially from men. No one has ever attacked her like this before, and in some sense I think she believes that the rules don't apply to her, that she is somehow special. Jared I think grew up in fear of his father and now is still trying to do his bidding in some sense. He doesn't have the talent for anything really and he doesn't seem to realize it. Neither of them have the intelligence to get away with anything, and so while I pity them, I think what comes to them will be well deserved.
Regarding Ivanka, I almost always read her energy as inauthentic. To me, she seems to be either acting or pretending. Regarding rules not applying to her, we have a two-tiered neo-feudal system here in the U.S. (and probably elsewhere). The rules only apply to we the people and seem to be optional for the very wealthy. This is probably why Jarvanka has gotten away with everything -- so far. And they didn't have to bother being clever about it, either. I'm extremely sick of them, too!
So this article was in Think Progress - Ivanka and the Panama hotel that went through a week of conflict and ultimately ended with the removal of the trump name and booting of trump org officials. This was an Ivanka project.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/trump-panama-hotel-showdown-030f40d3f855/amp/
And this from the Vancouver Sun (I live in Seattle and visit Vancouver somewhat frequently):
maybe this has something to do with Zoron’s dream? The Panama conflict sounded pretty rambunctious.