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Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Things are stirring  

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(@the-mad-scientist)
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10/24/2017 4:51 am  

ZORON SAYS:

forecast: Senator elizabeth Warren is going to be very active and involved in the 2020 Election. 

Did some deep scanning and divination plus meditation  on Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. 

I have to say that I was astonished. The outcome:

This links with my recent Sanders post. 

Incredibly powerful. I have never seen, or experienced before, such a powerful set of intuitions about American politics. 

Warren is having some very deep thoughts about running in 2020. She is without doubt, very talented and skillful, knows what she is doing, and intends doing it. What is she going to do?

OK. she will start dropping hints, over the remainder of this year, about being the female democrat who runs in 2020. (There will be others, initially, but they quickly drop away. She is the only democrat women who matches Sanders politics. So its a no brainer. She has the support and capacity of the liberal, left, and female vote, right there. The problem is, so does Sanders. ooops!. So they have to converge. if they do, there is only one possible outcome, they have to run as a joint ticket, a duo act. so one is presidential candidate, and one the vice presidential candidate. Since Bernie has huge latent support, (I get that ALL the people who voted for him last time, are in, on this, plus a lot of people who were tempted and regret not supporting him now.) This is a sort of Democratic landslide in the primaries. But:

she will be very careful. She will use a journo she knows, who supports her, and will say something on the media, that is deniable, but intriguing. From then on,it gets slowly hotter. She and Bernie are basically running down the same track. But it becomes clear that something is going on. The two of them are on polite terms. If Bernie persuades her to run as veep, the outcome is inevitable. She takes the slot. But lays down very clear conditions. 

She has already, internally, almost made up her mind. She knows she has to start sending signals, and feeling out the ground, by New year. This will be done very cleverly, although she has an impulse to be bold on this. She holds back. But she is going to start working very hard inside the democratic party, to support the program and ideas of Sanders, regarding restructuring and cleaning up the Democratic Party. 

So the two of them will start doing a little sort of Courtship dance, from beginning early 2018 onwards. This is all very very early stuff. But, as the year progresses, we will, by  New year in 2020, find her and Bernie standing in the snows of New Hampshire, grinning. They perform the ritual of the primaries, and this is the first test of how the public votes for them. At this stage, it is not clear if they are independent of each other, but they are running down the track. After that, it gets interesting. 

I think that eventually, they make the pact, and its Warren in Veep position, and Bernie mobilising and awakening his vast sleeping army, who will awake, and go forth. I think the actual position will be clear by Spring 2020. They converge, then, if not sooner. Warren is very strong that she wants to do something. 

I did get a lot of interesting other stuff, about Warren, tactics, and her ideas. I am going to post that later, after more work. I have to say though, that from this time onward of next year, she has to be in warrior mode, she also has to be very careful, and watch out for dangers, as there are powerful dark forces in america, that we all know about. They will watch, be alerted, and try to stop her. If she links with bernie, these elements  have major problems. The same applies to Bernie. 

I will say though, that if there are differences between Liz and Bernie, its about tactics, and strategies, not goals and objectives. In the meantime, they are converging, as Bernie works away like a steam engine on restructuring and reorganising, and outflanking the carpetbaggers and machine politicians of the party. They both are very clear that the big push, that puts them in pole position, is from the grass roots, from the people. 

More later. this is going to play out over the next 21 months. 


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10/24/2017 11:50 am  

Thank you for your post on this.  I’m not much of a psychic but I’ve had a strong sense of a Sanders/Warren ticket. Below is a HuffPost article from 10/21 that says Bernie will run as an independent for reelection in 2018. The interesting part of the article is the last couple paragraphs.  These hint at what you have laid out about Bernie, even though he has given no clear signal about a 2020 run.

hers the link:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-independent-reelection_us_59edeceae4b00f0861a0028e?section=us_politics

 


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10/24/2017 8:45 pm  

Interesting. I thought all of the predictions for 2020 and beyond saw that no Dem would win until 2024 or 2028, and that someone far worse than Trump would be the next president (making us think it might be Pence or Ryan). How does this square?


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10/24/2017 11:04 pm  

MizMargo, Thanks for your question!  

When I meditated on a few different occasions, primarily in 2015 and 2016, I did not see a happy picture in the 2018 midterms and then again in 2020 for much of the country. I felt it meant a Republican win, but I didn't really think of it as a win.  I thought of it as a steal. I felt they would rig the elections even more than they already have in the last two elections (using gerrymandering, voter suppression, registration chaos by Russian hackers) so that only a Republican could win.  Then I read just last week that Republican-controlled states are now going through a whole new level of redistricting that will make it  unlikely for a Democratic majority in Congress. Thus, the election-rigging part of the prediction is already materializing. 

But getting back to Zoron's post.  He has not said that a Sanders/Warren ticket would win. So he's not predicted the outcome at this point. If he does begin to see that Sanders wins, and he turns out to be right, then my predictions about the next election are wrong.  I could end out being wrong because the future has changed as a result of a previous grim one that was unfolding and now will be averted.  That's the good outcome of reading the future -- we are forewarned and we change it. Or I could just be wrong wrong. That could occur because I could not see over the mountain of our current situation and was still seeing our situation playing out longer than it does.  However, my timing has been very good since I first started giving readings.  (I'd prefer to be wrong, however, and have a political swing happen sooner.)

Also this website has many voices.  Not one. They may disagree.  Or they may just see difference nuances of the same picture, different visions of different time period. 

We make these predictions to learn about prediction, not because we are so sure we have perfect clear-seeing of what will happen.  

I find it interesting that I've been so accurate on climate change with the long-term predictions, even years ahead.  And it may be that either I'm more attuned to the climate or that not nearly enough is being done to stop climate change, and I've got a six sense about nature that is accurate.  In the summer of 2015, I felt we were on the precipice of a surge in climate events, even though the scientific data was not predicting it would happen nearly that fast. Then, as if on cue, the climate indicators all surged this summer.

With the political developments, I have felt that Trump will become quiet sometime near the end of his first two years in office. Many of the people who meditated with me saw him faltering much sooner. They'd seen an upset in November and/or December, and some heads rolling in April or May. Although it is still only October, the Muller investigation feels stalled to me right now. It feels like the GOP has doubled down to save Trump. It also feels like the GOP is turning even further to the extreme and has jettisoned all sense of justice and patriotism. However, maybe we will be surprised.  

If Trump does have a health crisis and/or Muller takes down enough people around him to trigger a health crisis, and Trump gets sidelined, as many of us have felt would happen, I did not see a happy turnaround immediately  for blue America. In fact I felt that the political picture will then get worse for the American people before it gets better. 

So where would a Sanders victory fit?  I've felt that there will be an economic crisis in late 2019 or early 2020. I had thought that this crisis could cause a turnaround politically but not for a few years.  Timing is the hardest thing to get right in predicting. 

 

 

 


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10/25/2017 4:41 am  

Hi Crew!. Zoron comments on Sanders. Yes, Jeanne is right. I did NOT say sanders would win. in fact, if you read very carefully, between the lines, its clear that this is very much in the balance. (but we have 36 months to go to election day) At the moment, (I have decided to be clear about this) He does not win. but by god, does he give the Repugs a run for their money. But, I am not saying that he cannot win, as nd if the events twist and turn over the next 36 months. Jeanne has nailed it, quite sharply. The forces of corruption against him, in both parties, are huge. But he forces open the gates. The 2020 Government will be one of horror, as they stumble from one disaster to the other. (There is a 40% chance of Bernie winning at the moment, this will later change, either way.) Jeanne has been VERY accurate in her viewings. I also have to say that there are serious security issues, surrounding both Warren, and Sanders. They get through, but it will demonstrate how evil are the forces against them. 

At dawn today, I did my waking meditation, then scryed Noam Chomsky. Oh, fascinating. He has a role, in 2020 and the run-up. he is out there, tearing around the united states, like a madman, campaigning for Bernie. he is astonishing. He is not used to campaign politics, and makes some bloopers, in the beginning. He is sort of drawn into discussions with warren and Sanders, calmed down, somewhat, pushed back on the campaign trail, and becomes their sort of "Obi-Wan-Kenobi". (laughter!). Then he is off, and running. He draws huge crowds, on campuses across America, and some key states. He has a role, that I cannot quite get yet, that is quite significant. I think he uses his intellectual capital to move key segments of voters. This is influential in getting warren where she needs to be. A difference of 2% is all it takes. The primaries for warren are that tight. or even tighter, at one point. Pelosi, when she dips her toe in the primaries water, is literally howled down. She is considered a spoiler candidate, backed by the DNC, and she gets lots of flak. She disappears, after one notorious incident. She is history. Obcurity.

Around  Chomsky, there gathers a sort of travelling circus. Hollywood for BERNIE, is very very big. They are everywhere, pulling crowds, and campaigning. likewise sports stars, (especially black ones) and other well known public figures. This is beyond the sort of thing that normally happens in elections. This coming general election is going to be unique. hint; "Hackers for Bernie, Wikileaks for Bernie," Greenies for Bernie, etc. ". This is the make or break election. It is as critical as the Roosevelt first election. that important. But at the moment, the dark forces are going to scrape in.  (pleae read my earlier post very carefully). But have hope. We have 36 months, during which America is going to descend into something resembling a reel splice together of all the Hollywood disaster movies. it is utterly critical. What happened to Nixon, will be absolutely nothing, compared at what is coming to Trump. Also those around him. 


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10/25/2017 12:23 pm  

So right after I wrote about if and when Trump will falter, a prediction on our site that in December of 2017 the Congress will be roiling over what to do with the president (made two years ago) is starting to come true. As of yesterday Republican defectors are speaking up and getting press.

I still feel that his actual demise is later, but the seeds of rebellion in the GOP are starting to sprout. The GOP Congress rank and file hate the man but are walking in lock step to his behavior for fear of losing their jobs. They even gave him a standing ovation just yesterday in a meeting. But their political consultants are watching the public reaction to those congressmen who have dared to oppose him.  If they begin to feel that their support of this president will seriously endanger their reelection possibilities, they will begin to turn against him. If the GOP money backers begin to feel that backing Trump will endanger the 2018 midterms, in spite of all they are doing to fix the elections, then some of them may also ease up on their support. 


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10/25/2017 11:49 pm  

Thought of you tonight, Zoron, as I was watching Elizabeth Warren on the news for the first time in months, and she was indeed fired up!  Apparently there was a vote today over whether consumers should be allowed to take legal action against banks, and (just barely, thanks to Mike Pence), consumers got thrown under the bus.  Oh, she was livid.  Which is good.  We need her to be livid.

I'm intrigued by your scanning of a Sanders/Warren ticket, but can't help but wonder if the democrats will be a divided party just like last time, especially if someone like Joe Biden runs and appeals to the more conservative folks. for whom Bernie and Elizabeth feel too "out there."  Seems like we are headed toward two seriously divided parties even without the added chaos of hacking efforts from within and without.  Makes me wonder if we will end up with more than two parties in the future.  


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10/26/2017 2:02 pm  

Becky. multi-party splits are somewhere in the American future. The present system is simply not going to survive. Likewise, we are going to see a shift to a somewhat "Disunited States" eventually.

 


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10/26/2017 4:24 pm  

It would be interesting to know how the "disunited states" plays out.  Seems kind of sad, especially in view of the losses of the civil war, but also seems perhaps inevitable and practical... although I guess we can't very well create actual blue states and red states, or create a country out of bigger cities versus small towns.

I'm in my 60s now and wonder how much of the reckoning I will be around to see.  That causes me to feel both sadness and relief, depending on the degree of hopefulness on any given day.  Some days I am convinced that the whole Trump agenda involves the wholesale selling off of the United States to the highest bidder (and whomever gives him the biggest cut of the profits).

 


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10/26/2017 6:51 pm  

A remote viewer  sees "the great Western Economic collapse, the West’s final defeat in World War III, the disintegration of Continental Europe, the bankruptcy and disintegration of the US Federal government in Washington DC and the turmoil of the second US Civil War." A disunited states will be comprised of the Pacific Coast Union, New England Union, Chicago State Union, Texas Union, Florida State Union, and the Hawaiian Independent State. Civil war, lawlessness and violence will be the norm in most of the remaining former US territories.

 


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10/26/2017 7:49 pm  

Thank you.  Did he give possible dates?


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10/26/2017 11:24 pm  

This kind of sounds like a Russian wish list.  


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10/27/2017 8:19 pm  

When I meditate on it, I get that there will be a Sanders/Warren ticket, BUT they're not really in the primaries, they're running as Independents. They go "on the road" as a strategy to convince people to join their cause. They are very happy, get a lot of support in primary states, holding "opposition rallies". They don't win the election. Bernie's base turns out in force, but this takes votes away from the Democrats, not that it matters -- The Russians meddle even more in 2020 than they did in 2016, and we end up with Paul Ryan as president. I see the Democratic candidate as female, dark hair, possibly Kamala Harris? I see her standing at a podium, conceding but defiant (maybe this is why several have seen her as victorious?) I see this outcome as the spark that lights the fuse on the "disunity" time bomb - I see civil war.  Sorry to be a bummer, as always, I hope I'm very wrong.


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10/27/2017 11:02 pm  

With the successful Russian interference and meddling, what is the point of even voting anymore? Why would we even trust the election/voting process anymore? Even with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders igniting hope and passion in the people --- yes this is wonderful. But it's futile if the election process is corrupt and manipulated. It's so hard for me to feel excited when I no longer trust. Our government is bought and paid for by the wealthy 1%, and corporations and foreign entities. 


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10/27/2017 11:09 pm  

If we can get a landslide then it is possible we can win even with all the corruption. It is a decentralized system so they have to instill a lot of bias into a large widespread area, across thousands of precincts in order to win. And there are thousands of lawyers who volunteer around the country to watch the polls closely for bias. We need every vote so it is really worth it to get out there and do your part. 


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10/28/2017 12:59 am  

Gigi - nothing intuitive in what I'm about to say:  there are 2 forces at work re: voting. 1). Russia wants to de-stabilize our entire system, encouraging distrust in the electoral process itself is part of it, and 2). The right wing agenda to disenfranchise as many voters as possible not only for the disenfranchised themselves, but also to discourage voters from turning out. So NOT going to the polls is a vote for the dark forces at work, IMHO. At least here in CA we get a receipt when we turn in our ballots, which are still in paper form.


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10/28/2017 2:31 am  

Well never fear because I will continue to vote. Just quite depressed that it might be in vain again (possibly). My question, why vote? was more of a vent of frustration, sorry. Yes I voted in the last four elections including this recent one, it's my duty as a citizen and I've never been complacent. Not something I take for granted. Happily got what I voted for in 2008 and 2012, but never ever, ever gotten complacent about it.

I read Hillary's book "What Happened" --- she mentioned about women who came up to her after her election loss, apologizing to her for not voting. They were so complacent in thinking she would win, that they didn't bother to vote. Well you can't be complacent in my area, where the Trump signs and MAGA bumper stickers dominated. 

Here in FL it's so easy to vote, I've always voted through absentee ballot (paper mail-in). Something just really needs to be done about election meddling and hacking before the next election. 

 


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10/29/2017 1:44 pm  

@HereRightNow : the remove viewer saw this happening from 2017 to 2050. He said that law and order would finally be restored to all non-aligned former US territories (those regions not part of the successful regional states) by the direct intervention of Russia and China, at the behest of the new US regional powers in conjunction with Canada and Mexico. I'm not sure what he meant by this: "Such measures will herald the invasion and foreign occupation of those non-organized former US states, while also reestablishing peace in North America after 2040." He emphasized how important it is to raise your vibration to be guided to a safe place.

 


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10/29/2017 2:31 pm  

Marzantar, that rang like a bell for me. 

The waters will dissolve structures via climate change--just as in Katrina, we won't be able to cope, and order will break down. The Great Lakes areas not affected by drought or earthquake or hurricane will maintain response-ability and structure. Other working clusters will form, yes. But other areas will be damaged and not able to pull themselves together and will turn on themselves like Kosovo, with a breakdown of social order. It will require the equivalent of UN action to contain the chaos and keep it from spreading to stable areas. Invasion may mean territory-taking: Perhaps Alaska goes back to Russia. Hawaii to China?? Feels to me like these (dis)United States will not be in any condition to project power to keep areas not in the center. Our military strength is largely coastal, and the coasts are hit bad.


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10/29/2017 4:29 pm  

I get such a dark feeling about that remote viewer.   I saw his book and read an article about him.  The vibe of the website that promoted him was the kind of darkness that I try to avoid, right wing stuff that is trying to get people to buy gold or Russian Kremlin-related trying to sow fear and chaos in America.  The psychic feels dark too. Really dark.  He says just enough for people to resonate with him, then the rest is dark.  It feels like something Putin would love published:  "law and order would finally be restored to non aligned former U.S. territories by the direct intervention of Russia and China..."  And then they invade the states that didn't organize."   I can't relate to this at all.  When I think of that guy, I feel dark forces at work.


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