Notifications
Clear all

The Covid-19 Pandemic  

Page 55 / 58
  RSS

(@lovendures)
Registered
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 1165
03/26/2020 12:45 am  

@lenor

Oh no!

Heartbreaking to read this news, I am sure it is being repeated hundreds of times throughout the harder hit areas of our country right now.  It has only just begun.  We really have no idea what is coming do we?

 


deetoo, Lilinoe, Laynara and 1 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@laura-f)
Registered
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 1037
03/26/2020 1:02 am  

@lovendures

So... research over the last few years has determined that for all viruses that infect humans, you are contagious until the last drop of secretion of any kind. You are contagious til the last time you have to wipe your nose, the last cough, the last tear, the last poop. Until ALL symptoms are completely gone, you are contagious. This thing of "well if you haven't had a fever in 48 hours you're not contagious" is outdated info.  The goal of all viruses is to propagate, and they are good at it.

What I'm wondering now is what precautions will be taken while disposing of the bodies of the deceased?  There's not enough PPE for healthcare workers, so unlikely there's any for morticians and gravediggers.

 


BlueBelle, deetoo, Lenor and 1 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@lenor)
Registered
Joined: 9 months ago
Posts: 193
03/26/2020 1:03 am  

@lovendures

No we don’t know how bad it is going to get. But I just want to crying over these poor people who are so sick and these wonderful healthcare workers who are taking such risks to help others. It’s so heartbreaking. 

 


deetoo, Shawn, FEBbby23 and 3 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@lovendures)
Registered
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 1165
03/26/2020 1:05 am  

@laura-f

The times we are living in are just mind-boggling.

 


Amyv, Shawn, Laynara and 1 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@lovendures)
Registered
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 1165
03/26/2020 2:05 am  

An excellent video on how to safe guard the food you bring into your house.

Some things I knew, some I did not.  Frozen food and take out were most interesting to me.  I need to set up a clean table in the way that he does.  I also think I might be taking all food out of my freezer, cleaning the freezer, and then cleaning the food packages before returning it into the freezer again.  Might need to do the same for my fridge.  It has been over a week since I brought in my canned goods...thinking on that one.   

Looks like I will be busy for awhile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2fIji1BtTC8Zs1Pg0-jkLVSJNuExhqdC1yiw2Ou527d_jS6HqSDFd655c


BlueBelle, Kateinpdx, Coyote and 6 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@anita)
Registered
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 184
03/26/2020 2:43 am  

As if I wasn’t anxious enough already. A guy we know was taking things to the landfill or recycling place. We had some rotted wood, so we had him pick it up. I look outside this morning, and my partner is standing less than 3 feet away. 4 teenage boys are with him. No one is keeping any distance and I’m freaking out inside the house. 
This guy is an apartment building manager, and has had several tenants in a panic talking to him in a panic because their workplace is shutdown and they won’t have money for the rent.

So my partner has been less that 3 feet away from teenage boys and a man who has been in close proximity to many people and the people that they’ve been near etc. for weeks. 

I was furious. And tonight I’m anxious. I’ve been taking so many precautions and now I don’t know what’s been brought into the house. My partner is nearly 51 and I’m 68. She should have known better. My anxiety makes it difficult for me to breathe. And, of course, that is one symptom. My city in Oregon doesn’t have that many cases, but it so easily can change. I’m also on a med that lowers my immune system. 

As if dealing with trump the past 3 years hasn’t been bad enough...

 

Anita


deetoo, Lenor, Laura F. and 2 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@laura-f)
Registered
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 1037
03/26/2020 11:20 am  
Posted by: @lovendures

An excellent video on how to safe guard the food you bring into your house.

Some things I knew, some I did not.  Frozen food and take out were most interesting to me.  I need to set up a clean table in the way that he does.  I also think I might be taking all food out of my freezer, cleaning the freezer, and then cleaning the food packages before returning it into the freezer again.  Might need to do the same for my fridge.  It has been over a week since I brought in my canned goods...thinking on that one.   

Looks like I will be busy for awhile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2fIji1BtTC8Zs1Pg0-jkLVSJNuExhqdC1yiw2Ou527d_jS6HqSDFd655c

Saw that video, and yes, some good ideas. But re: your freezer and frozen food -- Viruses and bacteria (and parasites*) cannot survive below freezing. I know this from my work in pro kitchens. Below 32F and above 165F you're golden. Between 32F and 42F is a bit of a grey area, but it's generally accepted in food prep that below 42 bacteria will not grow for a very long time (not sure about viruses). So if you just want to clean your freezer, have fun, but if you don't feel up to it, don't worry.

As for takeout - we're being very careful, my rule is: nothing raw/fresh, it has to be cooked and nuke-able. I unpack the food, put it onto plates, put extra in my containers, I nuke the plates, wash my hands, remove the plates and pop the extras in the fridge. I throw out or wash and recycle whatever it came in after we're done eating. Then I wipe down the counter as if I had used it for food prep.

*I mention parasites because it's known that frozen fish is better than completely fresh. That's why sushi is almost always frozen before being served.

 


Jeanne Mayell, Coyote, deetoo and 2 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@laura-f)
Registered
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 1037
03/26/2020 11:26 am  

@anita

I feel your frustration. My husband keeps wanting to "get together with one or two bandmates to do live online music", but I have to keep reminding him of how high risk we both are, especially me.

Experts are saying that if you think one person in the household has been exposed, to have them self-isolate in a bedroom for 2 weeks. On the other hand, I'd be less concerned about interactions occurring outside in fresh air that are not physical in nature.

Hang in there. We're all dancing on the sword's edge.

I have to go shopping today, because even though my husband is pretty good if I give him a very detailed list AND make him take pics of special items, my diet restrictions are so considerable that I have to do it myself in case my usual choices are not available - he couldn't begin to grok what my alternative preferences would be. I'll be masked, gloved, sunglassed and wearing a hoodie. Here's hoping they don't think I'm there to rob the joint!!

 


BlueBelle, Jeanne Mayell, Baba and 6 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@jeanne-mayell)
Admin
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 3351
03/26/2020 11:41 am  

@lovendures. Thank you for posting that video on how to bring food into your home.  I have sent it to my kids and family and friends.  This is a video that needs to get widespread circulation. So good. 

 


BlueBelle, Lilinoe, FEBbby23 and 3 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@laura-f)
Registered
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 1037
03/26/2020 11:56 am  

A good, clarifying article on the origins of COVID-19:

Natural Origins of COVID-19


ghandigirl, deetoo, Laynara and 2 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@deetoo)
Registered
Joined: 1 year ago
Posts: 875
03/26/2020 1:20 pm  

I just heard that Congresswoman Katie Porter is under self-quarantine after being tested for the virus.  She has some cold-like symptoms, including a fever and fatigue.  She is waiting for the results.


raindrop, FEBbby23, BlueBelle and 2 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@michele-b)
Registered
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 1450
03/26/2020 1:25 pm  

@deetoo

Thanks for the heads up. What a powerhouse of a warrior when we needed her most.

May she come back healthy and strong❣  

 


Jeanne Mayell, raindrop, Lilinoe and 7 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@sistermoon)
Registered
Joined: 3 months ago
Posts: 83
03/26/2020 1:44 pm  

@laura-f

Question for you: when you microwave, say, a slice of takeout pizza, how long would you nuke it for to make sure it's safe to eat? 

 


ReplyQuote
(@bluebelle)
Registered
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 504
03/26/2020 2:01 pm  

@deetoo

Katie Porter is a single mom, too.  We should all be sending healing to her and to all single mothers that they be protected and if already infected, healed.  Being a single mom is tough in ordinary circumstances, much less these.

 


Jeanne Mayell, raindrop, Lilinoe and 10 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@laura-f)
Registered
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 1037
03/26/2020 2:24 pm  
Posted by: @sistermoon

@laura-f

Question for you: when you microwave, say, a slice of takeout pizza, how long would you nuke it for to make sure it's safe to eat? 

 

I think 1 minute is sufficient, if it's still warm you can get away with 30 seconds. If it's hot to the touch you're good.

 

 


Jeanne Mayell, Lilinoe, SisterMoon and 1 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@triciact)
Registered
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 624
03/26/2020 2:56 pm  

And about microwaving things, don't forget to microwave a damp kitchen sponge for 2 minutes every now and then to kill the germs on it 🙂


Jeanne Mayell, Lilinoe, JackofHearts and 1 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@enkasongwriter)
Registered
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 116
03/26/2020 3:22 pm  

I live in New York. My dad is a mandatory worker as a security guard at a condo in Elmhurst, where he is required to wear a face mask at all times. In the past 24 hours, there were 13 flu deaths at Elmhurst Hospital. Several of the tenants at the condo happen to work at the hospital, where he encountered a nurse without wearing a face mask. Fortunately, he gets to work by driving on the highway, instead of passing through Broadway.

https://abc7ny.com/6050772/


seaturtle26, Coyote, Jeanne Mayell and 3 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@laura-f)
Registered
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 1037
03/26/2020 3:33 pm  
Posted by: @triciact

And about microwaving things, don't forget to microwave a damp kitchen sponge for 2 minutes every now and then to kill the germs on it 🙂

You can also put it in the dishwasher with the dishes.

 


ReplyQuote
(@snowbird)
Registered
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 41
03/26/2020 5:28 pm  

All, please be cautious and don't assume a virus will be killed by freezing...according to WHO guidelines ( https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/documents/food_risk_h5n1_11_2005/en/)  any frozen food would need to be properly cooked in order to kill any potential infectious contaminants; the article goes on to say that H5N1 influenza can survive at refrigerator or freezer temperature for at least one month. But I did see a different article on line earlier today that said that food contamination has not yet been implicated in the transmission of coronavirus (such as if you are worried that someone has coughed into your take-out salad during prep). Just follow standard food prep practices including thorough cooking of frozen food. If you have reason to suspect that packaging is contaminated, disinfect it and don't assume the virus will be killed by your freezer.


Jeanne Mayell, Lilinoe, Lovendures and 2 people liked
ReplyQuote
(@deetoo)
Registered
Joined: 1 year ago
Posts: 875
03/26/2020 8:04 pm  

Posted by @vestralux:

it sounds like we share a very similar early experience.  Our bodies—not just our minds—understand in a very visceral, felt, lived way what it is that other people go through in times of suffering and uncertainty. For all the pain and weariness (I battle crushing fatigue nearly every day due to autoimmune conditions), that kind of sensitivity feels like a gift. It feels purposeful.

@vestralux, thank you for your kind and supportive comments.  I agree that we share some similar early experiences.  It’s probably why I’ve always resonated with your posts, especially as they relate to your understanding of trauma and the gift of increased sensitivity.  I am always astounded by your compassion, insights and breadth of knowledge.  I always learn something new from you.

The 25+ years of therapy – which I sometimes still roll my eyes and chuckle about – never got to the heart of the trauma.  Various conventional modalities were used and they all helped me, to some degree.   I became very good at “talking the talk,” but I knew there was a piece of my psyche that couldn’t be reached.  I would even remark to some of my therapists that I felt there were some wires crossed in my brain.  I just couldn't get at it -- of course not knowing what the "it" was.  Most didn’t know how to respond to that comment.  So it wasn’t until I reached the age of 60, when I was introduced to somatic therapy, that something clicked.  Addressing that somatic piece helped me to move beyond the cognitive process of understanding my trauma.  You hear about it a lot more now, but 30+ years ago when I sought help, not so much.  In a sense there were crossed wires in my brain  -- a dysregulated autonomic nervous system where my body still carried the burden of those traumatic experiences.   Which is why, like you, I believe I now have autoimmune issues and chronic fatigue.  I know that many people in this community can relate.

I do wonder though, at least in my case, whether it’s a combination of nature and nurture.  I have a sister, and she processed everything differently.  I’m not saying she wasn’t affected back then, but she never appeared frozen in time, dissociated, or struggled to move forward.  She’s very different from me, and always seemed to fit into the world. The world she lived in was comfortable and made sense to her; it never did to me. 

And yet, I’m finding that as we adjust to this new world order, she might be having more problems with it than I am.  I sense that she might want or need my help.  She helped me navigate that other world; I hope and pray that I can return the favor.    


BlueBelle, TriciaCT, Coyote and 1 people liked
ReplyQuote
Page 55 / 58
Share: