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 Dina
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12/13/2019 1:43 am  

It's just depressing.


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12/13/2019 2:22 am  

It is depressing, and it wasn’t even close!  I now live in New Zealand but my parents are still in England and I really worry about the future for them.


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12/13/2019 2:35 am  

5 more years of Tory rule... Putin must be happy. 


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12/13/2019 3:16 am  

wondering how many voted on electronic, unverifiable, election-stealing machines?


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12/13/2019 3:50 am  

I'm gutted. However, Democratic Socialism is not over, not by a long shot. Emily Thornberry made a speech, where she talked about how disappointed she is with the vote, but also pitched that Labour should never stop fighting, and she said they must not abandon their principles and they must fight more than ever, now the fight begins. She's right. Put the focus on the Tories instead of releasing plans when it's ages away from an election. Oppose what they do, and fight hard. Talk about cleaning up the mess. I feel that she is going to run for leader now that Jeremy Corbyn has said he will step down as leader soon. This was a Brexit election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_iKVIzN_A8

I do have to ask? Will Labour come back into power through an election or through other means? And will they be able to get back in within a year or so? Also, who do you envision as Labour leader? And, will they stick with their bold policies when next in Government?


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12/13/2019 4:49 am  

Crikey! we got that one wrong.

I think the only thing that will unseat the Tories now is a massive economic crash.

sadly with a 64 seat majority I think they will be in for the full five years.
The next election will be much harder, there will be seat boundary changes and voter ID required.
The BBC will be a full on troy propaganda machine worse than it is now.
Will Scotland still be part of the UK in 5 years?

On the upside, a lot of old Tory voters will have passed away in 5 years, and a lot more young people will be coming in the other end.
Climate change might be worse and that might help focus minds.
The economy might be in a mess.

I can't see Brexit being a success and that might mean a lot of disappointed voters in 5 years. Who will the Tories blame if Brexit isn't successful?

Labour and the opposition parties need to learn from this, stop fighting each other and stop fighting internally.

@unk-p we don't have any electronic voting machines in the UK only pencil (or pen) and paper.


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12/13/2019 5:13 am  

@stu

I  keep on thinking about Zorons predictions on this. He predicted that Brexit will happen and that will be the end of the United Kingdom. Scotland will go independent and NI will join the republic of Ireland. Nicola Sturgeon already talking about clear mandate for the second referendum. Sinn Fein gained two seats from DUP.  It's all too overwhelming.  


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12/13/2019 5:43 am  

@dina

yes me too, I think he predicted that the UK (or what's left of it) would end up in some kind of permanent right wing dictatorship.

I'm not sure how the Scotland thing is going to play out, I think technically they have to ask the UK government for permission for another referendum. Maybe they can challenge that in the courts I don't know.

The Tories have such a large majority it effectively is a mini dictatorship for 5 years. I think the last time the Conservatives had such a large majority was the 1980s and I don't think most people will remember or know what that feels like. it's scary.

I kinda feel like forgetting about politics and concentrating on life around me, I envy those who have no idea about what's going on in politics. I'm not checking the news as nearly as much today. I just can't bare to look.

 


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12/13/2019 6:49 am  

@stu

We somehow have to survive these 5 years. There are more food banks than McDonald's in UK today. I'm going to get some food and donate it today to a local church. Whatever little good we can do...  I don't know what else... 


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12/13/2019 3:00 pm  
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wondering how many voted on electronic, unverifiable, election-stealing machines?

They don't use those in the uk


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12/13/2019 4:02 pm  
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On the upside, a lot of old Tory voters will have passed away in 5 years, and a lot more young people will be coming in the other end.
Climate change might be worse and that might help focus minds.
The economy might be in a mess.

My heart goes out to all of you in the UK trying to make sense of this new reality. Almost a decade of crushing austerity, and now the Conservatives have their most commanding parliamentary margin since the Thatcher era - but under the leadership of  Bumbling Boris (!?). I know it can seem like all hope is lost. I felt the exact way after Trump and the GOP swept the federal government here in the US in 2016.

But here's where you can begin to invest some optimism. I've quoted stu's points about lurking changes because, harkening to systems theory, these are non-linear variables that can bring about an entire phase shift in British society. The entire world is going through a phase shift that's being powered by exponential changes in innumerable variables, but the driving factor seems to be climate change with the knock-on ways it will completely scramble the global economy (actually, it's already scrambling the economy). Even though the Tories will have an iron grip for now, these nonlinear alterations in our biophysical world, plus the rising generation, are not waiting, and they will be gathering power away from the front pages and headline stories. Our modern media landscape is crafted to focus on immediate developments, and whenever it turns its gaze to the future, it usually does so with the assumption that current conditions will proceed linearly and under the same terms that governed the past. But the Tories (along with their American GOP and Australian Liberal cousins) are especially prone to these delusions, because they are the political apotheosis of our shortsighted collective culture . They won't see the societal bombshell that's coming, and it will be quite the spectacle when the rug is pulled out from under all of these self-assured Etonians.

For what it's worth, I'm including a link to Bayo Akomolafe's incredibly uplifting essay, An Open Letter to the Brokenhearted. It was the first thing that returned some light to my soul after Trump was elected, largely because it drew attention to those germinating sources of hope that can only be found in the margins.


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12/13/2019 9:56 pm  

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Thank you for posting that link.  Especially liked this part:

“Remember the earth. Remember your ancestors. Remember your four-legged, winged, crawling relatives. Remember life. Your life, your way of living, that is the only activism you’ve ever had. Use it. Make your existence a ritual that honors everything your body and words touch. The times are troubled and you are needed. Wake up—notice the consequence of every action and non-action. You are needed. You are needed. You are needed.”  


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12/14/2019 7:50 am  

Labour must stay bold, but they must focus more on the Tories shortfalls. Someone, I can't remember who, said Corbyn would lose, but that Sir Keir Starmer/John McDonnell or another soft left/hard left team would win and get in within a few years, they would be bold, but slightly less so than Corbyn.


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01/01/2020 4:43 pm  

here's the image as promised

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Posted by: @stu

On the upside, a lot of old Tory voters will have passed away in 5 years, and a lot more young people will be coming in the other end.
Climate change might be worse and that might help focus minds.
The economy might be in a mess.

My heart goes out to all of you in the UK trying to make sense of this new reality. Almost a decade of crushing austerity, and now the Conservatives have their most commanding parliamentary margin since the Thatcher era - but under the leadership of  Bumbling Boris (!?). I know it can seem like all hope is lost. I felt the exact way after Trump and the GOP swept the federal government here in the US in 2016.

But here's where you can begin to invest some optimism. I've quoted stu's points about lurking changes because, harkening to systems theory, these are non-linear variables that can bring about an entire phase shift in British society. The entire world is going through a phase shift that's being powered by exponential changes in innumerable variables, but the driving factor seems to be climate change with the knock-on ways it will completely scramble the global economy (actually, it's already scrambling the economy). Even though the Tories will have an iron grip for now, these nonlinear alterations in our biophysical world, plus the rising generation, are not waiting, and they will be gathering power away from the front pages and headline stories. Our modern media landscape is crafted to focus on immediate developments, and whenever it turns its gaze to the future, it usually does so with the assumption that current conditions will proceed linearly and under the same terms that governed the past. But the Tories (along with their American GOP and Australian Liberal cousins) are especially prone to these delusions, because they are the political apotheosis of our shortsighted collective culture . They won't see the societal bombshell that's coming, and it will be quite the spectacle when the rug is pulled out from under all of these self-assured Etonians.

For what it's worth, I'm including a link to Bayo Akomolafe's incredibly uplifting essay, An Open Letter to the Brokenhearted. It was the first thing that returned some light to my soul after Trump was elected, largely because it drew attention to those germinating sources of hope that can only be found in the margins.

Could such a bombshell mean The Greens form Government in Australia in the next decade? Sorry to go off topic, but this would be good to see if anyone thinks The Greens could do it. Also, do you think they will likely make gains in the 2021 or 2022 federal election.


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