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11/01/2019 4:19 pm  

Occasionally I hear from people who are superstitious about the cards.  I'd like to get a discussion going about that.  The cards are nothing more than pieces of paper. You use them to trigger the unconscious part of your brain that knows more than you consciously know. You don't even have to use cards to do this. Any image will do. But the cards have a structure to them that brings in ancient wisdom so that makes them more helpful than just any image.

Some people are afraid of the card. Here are some reasons:

1.Religious dogma.  The Catholic church tried to brand them as bad and people who use them as coming from the devil.  That way, people would have to go through the church to connect to god. It is a control mechanism. Don't fall for it. 

2.There is a group of card readers out there whose goal is to scam you into giving them as much of your money as possible. There is a card reader in NYC who got someone I know to, over time, give her $20,000 in cash. Some just try to get you to give them whatever is in your wallet at the time. One in  Provincetown, Ma got a few hundred dollars off someone I know, and a woman in Hudson, MA also got a few hundred. 

These readers told them they had a curse on them and they saw negative energy around them that only the psychic could make disappear.  There are variations on this scam, but the main theme is that they tell the client he or she must make a sacrifice by giving them a lot of money, and then they will buy candles  or give the money to the poor and the curse will go away. Many people have lost a lot of money this way. Naturally these scammers are spreading darkness and that leads some people to feel that the darkness is in the cards. It is not. It was in the reader. 

3. Some people have bad experiences reading for themselves because their anxiety shows up in the cards. This is natural so best to find someone to read for you who you have a good connection with.   If the reader says things that scare you, then find someone else.  A close comforting caring friend can work well. I teach a weekly tarot class in which I have everyone read everyone else altogether.  We send a lot of love to each other, we meditate and open to the highest energies we can, and the resulting readings are filled with light. 

4. Some people are just scared when things come true. They think that somehow the cards are making it come true, if it's not good. More on that soon.

 


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11/06/2019 8:45 pm  

@jeanne-mayell

I had an interesting experience recently.  After telling my sister that I have trouble reading the cards for myself, she suggested that we read the cards together.  First I read for her, then she shuffled the cards and had me pull cards with my left hand, then she placed them in the Celtic cross spread.  We read the cards for my reading together and it was the most uplifting experience.  My sister had no experience reading cards, but she was able to read for me.  It is so comforting that my sister and I can share this type of belief and experience together.  We were raised in the Christian faith and personally, I see this as part of my spiritual journey in expanded consciousness.  


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11/06/2019 9:02 pm  

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This really touched me far more than just the reading of Tarot cards with your sister. 

This lovely new bond between you two just sparked a big flow of happy tears in me.

Know that you are both in my thoughts and prayers. What a journey we are all on in different but coincidentally connecting ways now.

Love, light, and healing prayers,
💜 MIchele


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11/06/2019 11:06 pm  

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I love your story! It so delights me that you and your sister found this lovely way to enjoy each  other. 

Your experience reminds me that when I was first learning the cards, I took them everywhere I went and one day found myself with my parents reading my dad’s cards.  

The reading focused on his whole adult life — his true talents and calling. I was in that moment finding  him, finding my father, who had had a tough time professionally later in life.   It was so uplifting and it all seemed to come from spirit.    My mother sat open-mouthed as all these truths about him came flowing out.   it was such a gift to me. I will always be grateful for that experience with my parents.  


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11/07/2019 10:56 am  

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Hi everyone. I used to read the cards and work on a line years ago (I used the cards to help me more than the actual meanings, rider waite tarot). I don't seem to be able to use them for myself.

Anyway, back in the early 2000's I was at a party. One of my friends told someone at the party that I did "readings" and then I was suddenly surrounded by folks who were asking me questions and I felt they were cynical. The whole thing for me was uncomfortable. I could "feel" which ones were the cynics and which were just being curious. One of the cynics asked me "well tell me something about me". Suddenly I said to her "you will be pregnant and have twins soon". Whoa that came out of nowhere from me (I surprised myself). She was taken aback. Well guess what - of course she found out she was pregnant with twins after the party LOL.

I also didn't like the way some folks looked at me about the whole psychic reading thing so I decided to show them a demonstration. I had the wife of the couple throwing the wine tasting party to sit in a chair with her eyes closed. I stood in front of her with everyone around her. I explained that we can all sense Energy because Energy is what we are able to "read". I then silently told her to tell me when she felt something and if it was positive or negative. So the first time I sent her positive love and light and smiled at her and I displayed myself with my hands so everyone else could see I was being positive. I then asked her what (if anything) she felt. She said she felt good. I then had her keep her eyes closed and sent her negative energy and my face and hands displayed that to the room. She jumped up and said "oh that hurt". So the folks in the room could see how the energy was felt even though I never touched her.


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11/07/2019 11:21 am  

4. Some people are just scared when things come true. They think that somehow the cards are making it come true, if it's not good. More on that soon.

 

I don't know why I feel compelled to respond to this thread (I'm usually a lurker), except that it rings true for me in general (not necessarily specific to cards). I have had so many bad things come true that I've "seen" well in advance, that I feel traumatized a lot of the time. I've had to work through PTSD with my therapist for years, and I often have such intense anxiety attacks (about things I can't control, of course) because I can't tell the difference between fear and intuition anymore. The other day, I was so randomly worried about cancer and became terrified because I couldn't tell if it was my intuition telling me that I do or if I was just afraid of it. I've been generally happy lately, but always afraid when things are going well and I'm feeling happy that it's too good to be true and the other foot is going to drop and my life will be destroyed (in one way or another). Anyway, this thread spoke to me- I used to read cards for myself (BAD IDEA). I'm a (former) astrologer but I have to avoid reading my own chart or using predictive astrology because it creates so much fear that I can't even do readings for anyone else anymore. I've basically had to avoid it altogether. Sorry for the rambling post- I don't know why I felt compelled to write this since I usually just lurk.... 


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11/07/2019 11:38 am  

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I can relate. I can't read for myself because of fear/or desired outcome. I've had two people in my life (my mother who "knew" she would die suddenly and hinted to it right before she did) and one of my dearest friends (like a sister) who was a psychic medium and she told me she would pass a week before she did. After that I slowly gave up readings. I think I was afraid of knowing when someone I loved would die.  I didn't realize or admit this to myself until recently.  I'm starting to do them now - not for myself though so much... So I joined the read the future night (Nov 11). I wanted to release this fear within myself.... Baby steps 😉 


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11/07/2019 11:55 am  

@nelysthealchemist (I hadn’t read trichCt’s post when I wrote this. So only responding is to nelysthealchemist and have thoughts about hers too.) 

Thanks for sharing your story.  It is such a help to others to know what you have gone through because so many in this community have suffered trauma. 

You have a Beautiful sensability and intelligence  and a strong self awareness so what I am about to say  is something you probably already know. But I will say it for anyone who doesn’t know it:

This is about responding to card reading as something to be feared. When we have been traumatized then our brain colors our experiences with the trauma. Even if we haven't been traumatized but we have grown up in a family of negative thinkers, again, our brains tinge our experiences with negativity. 

When you read the tarot  or when you look at any visual image, you tap more deeply into your unconscious mind. The unconscious connects you more directly with the energy out there which is why you can read people and events so well.  But the unconscious also holds all that trauma and/or negative thinking. 

We can change the neural networks in our brain from negative to more positive by meditating regularly, by practicing gratitude every day, by essentially feeding our brains with positivity.  

We can also take a traumatic experience and make it much worse by reinforcing it with more negative thinking. Or we can transform a traumatic experience into something more positive by seeking treatment with the right therapist and practicing more positive thinking, including finding meaning in your life for that experience.

But if we feel afraid of the cards, then that fear reaction is something inside us, not in what is going on out there that the cards are reflecting.  


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11/07/2019 12:07 pm  

Regarding death sentences coming from the Tarot, I see how that would be traumatic and then cause a person to avoid the cards. 

A palm reader I met at a party caused me 20 years of grief many years ago by predicting I’d die in 20 years. He was wrong, although he was sensing something correctly in that I did have a hard time letting go of my kids when they moved out into the world, which was 20 years later. But that reading he gave me was traumatic and caused so much unnecessary angst.

When I read cards,  I ask for only the highest vibration energy to come to me.

When people ask about how long they or someone will live, I don’t go there.  I don’t believe it’s cast in concrete anyway but also why give more power to that subject?  We do give power to visions when we share them. Research shows that doctors’ prognoses have created self fulfilling prophecies. So has voodoo or hexes in that as soon as someone hears they are cursed they start suffering from the curse. 

If I have a negative vision, then for the most part I view it as the path we are on now that leads to that outcome.  Then I look for how we can change that path.  
many times the visions are warnings not fate.  

Our ability to see the future is a Darwinian advantage to help our species survive by giving us visions of danger in the road ahead. So we can change the paths we are on! 

When giving a one on one reading I start off with a positive vision that I ask the client to make.  I put my focus on that vision and give a reading that will take the person there.  


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11/07/2019 12:19 pm  
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@nelysthealchemist

I can relate. I can't read for myself because of fear/or desired outcome. I've had two people in my life (my mother who "knew" she would die suddenly and hinted to it right before she did) and one of my dearest friends (like a sister) who was a psychic medium and she told me she would pass a week before she did. After that I slowly gave up readings. I think I was afraid of knowing when someone I loved would die.  I didn't realize or admit this to myself until recently.  I'm starting to do them now - not for myself though so much... So I joined the read the future night (Nov 11). I wanted to release this fear within myself.... Baby steps 😉 

I'm so sorry that you've had those experiences. I can completely relate re: having fear due to "knowing" before someone you love dies (this is a realization I've recently made, also). Seven years ago, my cousin/close friend died suddenly and unexpectedly at age 31, leaving behind a wife and two young girls. I had a dream years prior that he died (in the same way he ended up dying), and never forgot it, so when he passed, I wasn't really surprised. When we were growing up, I had known that our time together was limited and every time we had to say goodbye, I had this awful feeling that it might be our last goodbye. After he died, I was horrified that I had been able to see it and that my worst fears had come true. 

In my latest therapy session, we identified his death as a source of fear for me. Despite numerous tests and an autopsy, a cause of death was never determined and there was no pre-existing "defect" that could have resulted in his death. I have a young daughter and my husband and I have both been through a lot, but we're happy now. That's why I'm terrified (haha!). My fears for my health and worries about sudden loss (either dying myself or my husband or daughter suddenly dying, etc) all seem to stem from this.

I also "expect" punishment- this goes all the way back to my childhood. My dad and I had a very strained relationship. I was in an abusive marriage before deciding to leave my ex-husband, and my husband and I went through a lot to recover from our mutual traumas. When we first got together, there were some lies and betrayals and again, I was able to "see" it well before he told me the truth (which was again, confirmation of my worst fears at the time). 

Anyway blah blah blah tldr; I'm working on this stuff with my doc- I guess we'll see how it goes! Thank you so much for sharing your story.


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11/07/2019 12:28 pm  

@jeanne-mayell

Thank you so much for your response- this is so helpful to me. I have such a hard time meditating- I wish I were better at it (haha!). Ultimately, I want to be free of my fears and be able to tell the difference between "seeing"/"knowing" and a "vision" based on my fears. I would love to talk with you more about all of this; I should probably schedule a reading. 🙂 I would also like to participate in one of your read the future nights. My main focus/source of anxiety has been around politics (and climate change, and everything influenced by politics in my country) over the last few years; I (again) had been "seeing" the orange one's election before November 2016 and when it came true, it was a shock to the system and another confirmation of my worst fears come true. A lot of the time, I can see/feel where things are going, but in general, I feel like we're living in some weird Onion/parody/alternate timeline. I'll write more later (be back soon!). Thanks again!


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11/07/2019 12:47 pm  

@jeanne-mayell

Thanks for your loving thoughts Jeanne.

 


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11/07/2019 4:01 pm  

@all 

Just wanted to say: sorry if I hijacked this thread topic with my personal issues. 😛  


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11/07/2019 5:50 pm  

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You are not alone. A lot of the fears you have right now about politics and climate and even fear of a personal nature are all ones many of us here have too. I can at least say that for myself. This forum and it's many topics have been a godsend for me.

I was intrigued reading that you felt/knew the Orange nightmare was going to be elected in 2016. I hope that when/if you are willing you will share in this forum under The US Predictions and Issues area  what you think will happen in 2020's election.

Sometimes being very empathic and psychic can be hard on folks. It's not always easy knowing what's around the corner (sometimes folks like to be in their unknowing little bubble). Then again for those who are able to see, they serve as messengers and healers too.


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11/07/2019 6:39 pm  

@nelysthealchemist. I didn't see any hijack. I thought you helped the thread with your posts. 


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11/08/2019 8:27 am  
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One of the cynics asked me "well tell me something about me". Suddenly I said to her "you will be pregnant and have twins soon". Whoa that came out of nowhere from me (I surprised myself). She was taken aback. Well guess what - of course she found out she was pregnant with twins after the party LOL.

I love your story, triciact. Thank you for having the courage to read for people in the presence of cynics.  I love that you opened some eyes and expanded some minds about what is possible.  I love hearing stories about the moments when people first experience a psychic event.

I've noticed that when a baby is coming, the visions are especially strong. I was in a psychology class a few years ago and the professor had us sit in a circle and meditate together.  I suddenly out of nowhere and without trying saw a vision of the woman sitting across from me that showed an embryo in her womb, all magical in sparkling light around it.

Afterward  the professor went around the room to get feedback from us and when he came to me I told them.  The woman was shocked.  She confessed that she had just found out she was pregnant but hadn't told anyone yet. 

One member of the group later said it was a life changing moment for her. Another member, a friend,  who knew I gave readings just beamed with delight because she loved that some people's minds would be opened by that experience. 

Trich, I would have loved to see the look on that woman's face when she realized she was having twins and you had foreseen it! 

 

 


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11/08/2019 9:05 am  

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Great story Jeanne! I think that the energy of a new soul hovering over someone waiting to be part of their life experience is probably a very strong energy (makes sense).

The folks at the party were all looking at me funny and the woman was like "no way". She called the couple who had the party to get my phone number to tell me she found out less than a week later she was pregnant and then months later that it was twins! She was in shock. (so was I!) 😊 


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11/08/2019 9:25 am  
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@nelysthealchemist

You are not alone. A lot of the fears you have right now about politics and climate and even fear of a personal nature are all ones many of us here have too. I can at least say that for myself. This forum and it's many topics have been a godsend for me.

I was intrigued reading that you felt/knew the Orange nightmare was going to be elected in 2016. I hope that when/if you are willing you will share in this forum under The US Predictions and Issues area  what you think will happen in 2020's election.

Sometimes being very empathic and psychic can be hard on folks. It's not always easy knowing what's around the corner (sometimes folks like to be in their unknowing little bubble). Then again for those who are able to see, they serve as messengers and healers too.

I think what's been hard for me is that I've been trying to avoid my own intuition, especially after the 2016 election. Pretty much once Trump was a possible candidate (back in 2015?), I had been having this horrible sinking feeling that he was going to somehow become president, and that it would be an illegitimate election (tampering from the outside, people being influenced into voting for him or against Clinton). I knew back in 2004, when I had been driving to and from my orchestra gigs (I'm a violinist- my second job) and I couldn't find anything to listen to on the radio and happened to flip to Clear Channel (Fox), that we were in trouble. I had somehow stumbled across Sean Hannity's show and was shocked by the lies I was hearing, and felt very strongly that Fox News was extremely dangerous. Now, it's basically state media, and a good number of my close family members are brainwashed by it. Around the time of the election, I had felt that Hillary Clinton wouldn't become president, because she had too many enemies and it was too easy for the GOP/Fox News to target her and undermine her. Anyway, leading up to the election, I kept having anxiety attacks even though all the polls had her winning (and in the end, she did have the popular vote). I felt that people were being too careless about the election, and knew that the consequences of Trump winning would be devastating. I also couldn't see the appeal- he was obviously a crook and a pathological liar with a narcissistic personality, so why did so many people follow him? He didn't "tell it like it is," he lied through the teeth and appealed to the worst impulses/tendencies of human nature. A lot of this may have just been observation and subsequent fear that people weren't taking things seriously enough, too. Either way, the night of the election, I watched the results coming in and felt physically ill. I was sick throughout the night, knowing what was happening and knowing that this had been my worst fear at the time, and no one had believed me when I told them that they needed to vote and couldn't just assume Clinton would win. After that, I think I shut down again. I began to try to avoid any intuitive thinking, and also frequently confused fear and intuition- like, am I just afraid of a thing happening, or is it a true vision of what is to come?

Following the threads in this forum has been really helpful to me; so many of the predictions people have made have rung true to me- most recently, the one about bad news for Trump on 10/31 was a prediction that I felt would come true (among others). A lot of the dates/timing of events have been in agreement with my own feelings. Most importantly, I've been able to see (by following threads on this forum) that the future isn't set in stone, and that we aren't doomed to a certain fate. Things can and do change all the time- that can be good and bad. What we may see right now can change again in the near and distant future. I do feel that ultimately, we will overcome this extremely dark time, probably sooner rather than later. Maybe because there are so many people that can affect change in this country, it's harder for me to make a true prediction about what will happen, so I end up picking up more on influences and movement taking place right now, and what those thoughts and actions could potentially lead to. I hope in 2020, even if we have to deal with a recession or hard times in general, that we will cast Mango Mussolini out and we can go back to moving forward again (if that makes sense). Or, it could just be that I'm still trying to figure out how to trust my intuition and trust the universe in general, and until I've healed from previous trauma, I won't be able to trust the visions I have. I feel like I'm out of practice because I've tried to my best to ignore my gut for so long. 5-10 years ago, my family (mostly my sister and Mom) would ask me to "read" a person they knew (that I had never met or seen). I could tell them what the person looked like, what their personality was like, and some of the events that had happened in their lives that may be important to them in the present. My sister used to ask me (via gchat from her computer in NYC) to read a random friend of hers- that they were looking for guidance. I've recently found out that my readings and advice were helpful to these people, which is nice to know. I've never been one to tell people about things that will happen to them (I feel like that is dangerous and also, implies that peoples' futures are set in stone), but I have been able to help them work through some things that may be affecting them in the present. Well, tldr; I need to learn how to meditate and accept my intuition again, since I have so little faith/trust in it right now. 


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11/08/2019 9:26 am  

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I'm glad! I'm so used to feeling like I'm talking too much about myself and not listening/reading enough. I'm happy to contribute to the discussion. 🙂


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11/08/2019 10:37 am  

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Nely, I'm laughing (not at you - but with you!) I can tell by your postings and what you have to say  that You DO have a lot to say. It's like your soul is bursting out with so much! I bet it would be cathartic plus you would be sharing your gift with all of us and what's better than that?

I though Hillery would win, until the day/night of the election. All of a sudden I felt a weight over the whole thing and I got nervous then as the night went on I didn't sleep that night. I cried into the morning and my cousin in Germany called me at 9amET crying too. She was shocked and sad - my husband too. It felt like a death...I knew what the Orange nightmare would bring...I just couldn't believe it.

You remind me of how I was back in the early 2000's when my dear friend mentored and encouraged me to start reading....I'm happy and intrigued (hope you join Nov 11th) ! So glad you are here. 😘 


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