Turkey and Europe
Hi, everybody -I'm new here and greet you all 🙂
has anybody had predictions/visions on Turkey ? I live in Australia and have been quite drawn to what is happening there lately. I feel like what happens there will have big impact on Europe.
Hi Erkmen, welcome to the forum. I pulled some cards asking if something in Turkey would affect Europe. I got cards that showed government intolerance of dissidents and using violent or harsh means to stop protests. Then I saw other countries appalled at this development and wary of traveling there.
I don't know what the overall result will be except that it's not going to be good for Turkish relations with other countries and bad for their tourism and trade.
I don't know the situation so take what I say with a grain of salt. I just hope to get a dialogue started here.
I asked my cards if the Turkish authorities would ease up but I don't see they will ease up any time soon.
But perhaps what I've seen in my cards is already obvious to you and others. That can happen when I throw cards on a subject without a clear question and without knowledge of the subject. It might be helpful if you provide your own perspective and then ask a question.
Turkey is in the news today . Perhaps there is in relationship to what you have been feeling Erkmen.
"Turkey is running out of time to avert a showdown with the United States over its plans to buy advanced Russian air defenses and spurn a counter-offer from its NATO partner, raising the chance of U.S. sanctions against Ankara."
Thank you for the cards. Let me take it further :
What is happening inside Turkey is known to many. A more and more oppressive government is taking the country into a direction away from from its democracy. However, Turkey is also a strategically very important country because of various reasons, especially for Europe and USA. Its unique geographic position in the European region, the fact that it is a huge economy, very interdependent with Europe, a G20 country, a NATO member (second biggest army of NATO after the US) and its ancient integral relationships make it an important part of Europe. If it goes into war with Iran or Russia or on the contrary, decides to ally with the Russia-China-Iran axis, these will have serious impacts on Europe. may trigger wars or serious international trouble. Also an economic crisis may have effects on many European countries, bigger than the Greek one in the past or Spanish. Turkey is almost as important as Russia for European politics.
This is incredibly interesting and an eye opener for all of us.
While there are readers from all over the world visiting here (and quite a few from Australia) we don't get as much input about international politics as we need nor discussions that we truly should be having.
Thank you so very much for this wake-up call. Please continue to add your thoughts here and in our other topics.
You are appreciated and needed here and I am so grateful you have chimed in!
And thanks for the encouragement. We are a vitally and spiritually connected whole on this planet which only looks so divided. I believe we all need to remember to tune in with each other and stay that way, especially in times like this. I read almost all the threads here, including the ones on the US, where I also lived for years. Will try to contribute.
What is happening is basically the same dynamic and energy flowing all around the planet and requires us all to stay in touch. Nothing or nobody is unaffected by it as we all thrive in the same collective consciousness.
Btw, you may also want to look up Turkey as a spiritual center of all times, from the oracles of Apollo in greek times to the emergence of sufism on it or Gobeklitepe, the oldest temple site ever found and built by an unknown civilisation. ıt is indeed a vortex - if the term is correct ...
Hi Erkmen. Thank you for illuminating this keystone region in world affairs and history. Although I am an American of mostly Northern European stock, my maternal grandfather's family was rooted in the Hellenistic culture of Asia Minor, so family gatherings on my mother's side always had a Near Eastern dynamic when I was growing up. I also recently found out through a genetic test that I possess South Asian ancestry by way of the Romani diaspora in Europe, and Turkey was a vital migration route for the Romani. So yes, Turkey is a vortex and case example of the entanglements of human society.
Question: What can we expect now that Turkey has entered a recession? One of my immediate concerns is that Erdogan might try to pump up the economy by intensifying Turkey's military footprint in the Middle East, possibly leading to the China-Russian-Iran alliance you outline (all three of those countries are also facing economic straits). There's also the added element of the upcoming local elections. Do you think Erdogan's AKP party will lose ground in those elections? If so, will that add more volatility to the political situation?
My insight is that anything can happen in Turkey right now - just not the good things. Yes the polls show that the opposition has gained more support than they used to due to the recession inflicted on the country by the government itself. However, the non-ethical campaigns led by the government and the fact that they control the wast majority of media and even the digital systems of the supreme committee of elections (yes, there has been fraud in the elections before), I don't see a major wipeout at all. Erdoğan is dangerously agitating his followers and the whole country through fear and through the cruel division he creates in the country, turning half the country who doesn't vote for him into enemies and "terrorists" in his campaign, openly threatening oppositon leaders with imprisonment and imprisoning thousands of journalists, writers, academics and ordinary citizens to consolidate that fear.
In my insight, where Turkey is going is up to what is going to happen at this last stretch towards islamic fascism. It is also up to how the US and the EU is going to handle the situation as Turkey is a founding member of the NATO and a 100 year long (nowadays ex) ally of the US. The shift of balance this will cause in one of the most important regions of world politics can be very detrimental and will isolate European democracy into its own borders. Seeing what is happening with the right wing in Europe, together with the rest of the world, I don't think losing their only (once) democratic non-christian ally and a very important military stronghold in the region will help the democratic structure of the EU at all. Also consider what place Russia is in right now.
When you look at his numerology, there could be a significant change starting for him later in the year '22, and expressing itself in '23, coinciding with the general E... But he will remain as leader of the Party he founded in 2001, if correctly interpreted via numerology.
Then, in 2026, an attempted revolt could happen against him, a sort of abolition of him as 'monarch'.
Interesting. Would you explain how you did it the way you explained your first analysis on the other post?
Thank you so much for your reply and interest.
For my interpretation (and it's just that, I am only guessing as a novice) the main reasons were:
-Age 68 (5 exit) in year '22 is 28-24 (7) years after being mayor. And 29 (change)-25 (9) age 69 (both 9, end of cycle and 15, exit perhaps) in the year '23.
-For Prime Minister it is in year '22 19-8 (9) years. In year '23 it will be 20-9 (I take 9/2 as change) age 69.
-9 years (end of cycle) as president age 69.
-His children have reached end of cycle ages in the year '22. In the year '23 their ages together culminate in (as I interpret) 9/2, change for dads age 69.
-Transition age 68 to age 69; 34-11 (9) years to 35 (ending of a 7 cycle)-12 (2) years. So that is a transition of 9/2 again, denoting change.
-His brother wil transition from 64 (1) in year '22 to 65 (2). His sister from 57 to 58.
-Married and birth spouse for transition years 45-68.
-Commencing his political career in 1976: it will be 46 to 47 years from year '22 to '23 (from closing one cycle to the next).
-Political growth for him was in the years '84 and '85, and it will be 37-36 & 38-37 years after in transition from '22 to 2023.
-Culminated number 5 (15 years since 2007; 12 years since 2010; 5 years since 2017) for constitutional changes since he has been in power in 2022.
-Protests in 2013: 9 years and 10 years after in years '22 and the following year.
-There have been c o u ps in years '16, '80, '71. In the future year '22 it will be a culmination of 18 (9), and in '23 culminating in 21 (3).
-It will be 99-100 years after foundation of the Republic and abolition monarchy in '22, and 100-101 years in year '23.
So all in all; these are end-of-cycles and also an expression (3). Intuitively however, I do not think the expression of change will remove him from essential power.
Vital in this interpretation is that for the Party he founded in 2001 he will -amidst all these changes in transition from age 68 to age 69- stay at 22 years after the foundation at age 69, so he will remain at number 4. This, to me, means continuation.
So a significant change will happen for him, perhaps (if interpreted correctly) from the transition from age 68 to age 69 in the year '22 to '23.
This happens to coincide with an election.
But I interpret it that he will keep clinging on to power someway.
At age 72 I interpret there to be a sort of revolt, perhaps, because:
-It will be 103-104 (together 9, and also number 5 for abolition of monarchy) years after foundation of the Republic and the abolition of monarchy.
-Age 72 (9) in year 2026 (1).
-His children will have reached end of cycle ages, but also 'exit ages' and beginning of a new cycle. All together culminating in the number 5. The year after it will be the start of a new cycle (1).
-32-28 years after being mayor (interpet it as 5, exit, and 1, new cycle).
-23 years after beginning PM.
-Number 3 for expression as President.
-25 Years after foundation of his Party. So within number 7 (cycle in itself) is 5.
-38 (8-3=5) and 15 (5-1=4. 5+4=9) years after death parents.
-Age 68 (5) for his brother & 7 for his sister.
-Number 5 for his political start.
-Number 2 (42-41) for political growth phase.
-Most importantly it will be 19-16-9 years for constitutional changes, 10-46-55 for c o u ps, number 5 and 4 for abolition monarchy and foundation Republic. I will take this as 9 and an expression of revolt against a 'contemporary monarch', while the republic will stand together forming a closed united expression at the end of a cycle.
This is an intriguing form of reading, highly technical. Is this how numerological readings are typically done or is this your own invention? Either way, it's cool.
Dear Jeanne, I wouldn't know how numerology would normally be put on paper! So yeah, I guess it is my own private way of doing it. Lol, it certainly isn't perfect, but it sure is fun!
Vow! I find this really impressive. So interesting. As much as it is numerology it also looks intuitive as it it is quite accurate with terminology. The term contemporary monarch is what people say about him, the fact that his children are quite involved with his carreer are known etc etc. Thanks for this Veer. Do you base your readings also on researches over the specific subject ? I would be astonished if all this comes out on a numerological reading. Like the revolt ( gezi protests ) in 2013 or the importance of 2023 for him ( 100th year of the republic ). Thanks again.
I also have to say that in all my tarot readings and visions nowadays the number 7 comes up whem I concentrate on when the time of his decline will come and it is 2019+7=2026
Dear Ernie, thank you for your kind words.
To be frank; I know nothing of his family or their involvement in his career.
When I try and do a numerology reading I just simply look at the person, his or her family, developments in the big picture or historical perspective.
Going from inner to outer circles and paying attention to apex points where things seem to come together.
I am certainly no expert, merely having fun putting it together with the numerology, which is just an instrument, and your guess is as good as mine when you look at cards.
What else do your cards say, if you don't mind me asking? I am very interested.
Kind regards, Veer.
I used to be very enthusiastic with the cards once upon a time but I prefer to meditate and build a connection with the subject "through myself" now and use cards only if I feel like consulting a secondary method. The way I meditate seems a little more different from what I mostly read here and it is sort of self - learned/invented so to speak. I read and witnessed many methods throughout time but somehow stayed in the spontaneity of my own sightseeing and feelings (empathy with the larger realms of subjects, hard to explain)
Turkey, Russia, Eastern Europe and the Middle East are always in my scope as I come from that area of the world culturally but, where I start from is always the planet. The world is a giant living being as all planets are, but a special one. It has a language and an intelligence of its own and has a biological as well as "dimensional" nature. It has started to drastically change that language because it sees us as a plague now. It is and will bring its defence mechanisms into charge and do whatever it takes to get rid of it. Our existence depends on how we deal with this change - if we understand and seek a balance with it we have a chance.If not, we will get extinct in the not so far away future, historically speaking. Gaia always takes over.
Whatever is happening here among human beings is basically the same old story : greed, exploitation and violence on one side and an awarness for the better, for peace and love on the other.
"The same old story" is the key term : we need to get past that and start a new story. A story of the balance and reinterpretation of both poles mentioned above and realise a new awakening regarding the balance of that duality, regarding the fact that we ARE actually both. Call it an awakening, a dramatic shift in "culture", change in dimension - all are ok. Read it through numerology or insight etc etc all of the methods are ok as well.
Every single country, incident, person we talk about here is an integral part of the critical turn we are about to enter and are as influential determinants as each other. I opened this topic not just to concentrate on the specific region but also to point out that there also so many other players in this scary motion of "butterfly effects" to dwell on.
I believe we should focus on all and none. We should focus on all to diagnose Gaia's illness. We should focus on none because, isolated into singular cases, they don't mean anything by themselves. They mean something alltogether. And the sum of that something is bigger than all of them.
As to the specific of your question :
The Middle East and its hinterland (Russia, Turkey, Central Asia, Africa and Southern Europe seems to be in the main role again but not entirely. The magnetism of America will have to shift towards China and this changes everything. The energy and spirit of Europe is declining. The right wing movement is a global plan incited by one group of people and institutions.
All these and climate change will cause a chain reaction we have never seen before. Therfore, these days, I focus on the question "What will happen to Earth?" and dive into all the different areas of it as my visions change everyday. It is a wild ride but focusing on mainly one area or subject seems deceptive to me. Doing this, I see the worse face of human kind rising for a while again. Disasters will bind us together if we survive them. Not just the climate - migration, wars attached to that, the misuse of technology and last but not the least, the loss of the ancient set of morals. This will happen globally and will probably lead us to a new perspective of what we are and if it is harsh enough, we won't forget the lesson as history proceeds. Hopefully this time we will understand that we are actuall "one thing" alltogether but not a set of competing hostile tribes.
It sounds too general I know. But it is a template that can change our own way of looking at and understanding our scattered visions.
Maybe trying this wholistic attitude with numerology can open a whole big perspective, what do you say ?
This is happening since a few days and looks like it will give anti Trump fighters in the congress an upper hand. Even republicans are rising against the situation. European countries, especially England is very unhappy about the development. We'll see where it will lead to.