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(@elainesk)
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03/10/2020 10:40 pm  

@bluebelle I can't even begin to imagine the harrowing journeys they took back in those days but in helping to build the New World those awful lengthy journeys by sea would have toughened them up to the hard conditions in building towns, I love seeing all the towns named after towns and villages of Scotland across US, Canada, Australia Nova Scotia.  We say "you can take the Scot out of Scotland but you can never take Scotland out of a Scot".  It is so true, I went to work in Germany many years ago but was so homesick for Scotland, it was almost like it was calling me back and it did...I lasted six months and went home....lol.  Many say Scotland is in the veins of so many descendants who have never lived in Scotland, there is a longing for it and when Scottish culture is shown like in the yearly Tartan Day in New York it pulls at your heartstrongs.  I love to see so many Americans embrace their Scottish heritage, in fact I think many of you love Scotland more than the union loving anti Indy Scots living here who say they are Scottish and British and prefer to fly the union jack than the Scottish Saltire.  There is a wonderful song by Dougie McLean called "Caledonia" he wrote it when he was living far away from Scotland and his yearning to come home.  That song gives a lot of Scots a lump in their throats and even more so for Scots who do not live in Scotland anymore.  My son came home after 16 years living in England and he feels complete now he is home and his English wife also loves living in Scotland.

I was born in Aberdeenshire but have lived majority of my life in Fife, St Andrews is a 30/45 minute car journey from my hometown of Kirkcaldy.  Fife has so much history, especially Scottish Royalty, all which has been swallowed up English Royalty, basically Queen Anne in the 17th century was the last Scottish Royalty, in 1603 even before Act of Union, England and Scotland shared Royalty when King James VI who took the throne in England when Queen Elizabeth did not have any children. After Anne there were no more Scottish Royalty but the history is still there to see in Museums, Falkland Palace and where it was mostly about Scottish Royalty in Dunfermline in Fife. 

 


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03/10/2020 11:32 pm  

@elainesk

How is the UK government handling the COVID crisis? Because if the Conservatives bungle it, then that will certainly further kindle the independence movement. @celticwitch has seen Scotland leaving the union by 2023.

By the way, I have tangled veins of British Isles ancestry from both my mother and father, and all of those strands seem to lead back to Scotland 🙂 .

 


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03/11/2020 6:25 pm  

@elainesk 

That is my hope and wish for your country. The proud spirit of William Wallace lives on!

About your invite, I will be like that last bug at the summer picnic, hanging around and never leaving. 😊 

Seriously though, it's funny, Scotland is one country I never hear anyone say anything bad about. Everyone I know who has been there has loved it, including my daughter, who is still talking about the people and the beauty and the street performers. I think it's in large part because of the way it's presented to us through media from a young age.  We cheer when Robert the Bruce defeats Edward at the Battle of Bannockburn, and we love the kilts and the bagpipes and the fierce independence. Scotland's history with England goes back much farther than America's, of course, but we have that in common.

My husband's third great-grandfather was born in Edinburgh. My mother was completely convinced (as was her mother) that her mother's lineage was Scottish, but I've never been able to trace it, much as I'd like to. My grandmother did have a very Scottish surname. I used to joke to my mom that our being able to wipe out a pan of homemade shortbread in under five minutes did not prove lineage.

When I would show her my massive amounts of paperwork showing English heritage, she would shrug and say that there had to be Scottish in there somewhere because she got chills when she heard bagpipes. LOL God rest her.

With apologies to Burns, I will have to pass on the haggis, although hailing as I do from a country that puts forth Spam with Cheese as a culinary achievement, I probably shouldn't judge!

 


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03/12/2020 4:43 pm  

@polarberry Chances are your Mother was right, such a mass of Scots left Scotland so if its a Scottish sounding name it will probably be a connection to Scotland.  In the Caribbean there are many black folk with Scottish surnames, the Mcs and Macs, this goes back to a time when England sent Scots prisoners (clansmen who fought against the English) to the Caribbean as indentured slaves, this was at the end of their slavery period they would be free and get a little bit of land.  Nice neighbours we have in UK eh!;-) 
Haggis is an acquired taste...lol. I think to many folk it looks like a dogs dinner and some who taste it are shocked because it tastes meaty and spicy with pepper but others the look and the taste to them are the same....lol.  Scottish children get brought up eating it and its a then passed down to their kids.  Most of us only eat it with mashed potatoes and turnip on Burns night once a year.....lol.

Would you believe that for decades before we got our Devolved Parliament in Scotland, it was Westminster in London that decided what Scottish children learnt at school.  Our history was classed as 'British' history but it actually was more about English history and English/Westminster rule over Colonies, we received very little Scottish history and most of us when we became adults and started to read facts on our history that we had been clueless about it we were pretty angry, being denied our own history.  Many adults especially those who want Independence have read many books on our history and it is no wonder we want to return to Independence with a passion.

Today our First Minister was at a Cobra meeting with the Prime Minister, their was leaders from Scotland (Nicola Sturgeon), Wales and Northern Ireland along with the Prime Minister and medical/scientific experts.  Nicola our First Minister did a press conference after lunchtime to let the Scottish people, the people she serves, know the latest update, the media and Prime Minister and his Cabinet Ministers were angry at Nicola for speaking before the Prime Minister, you'd think he was King the way we are supposed to kiss his feet.  Had Nicola not updated us we'd have had to wait till 6pm because that is when Boris Johnson PM decided to inform the people of the UK what update was and considering the people across UK had been waiting to hear the latest since the Cobra Meeting this morning, we in Scotland were very glad Nicola had updated us.  This is the pathetic "How dare the Scots speak before the English, don't they know their place" kind of attitude.  Piers Morgan is a vile and pompous anti Scottish presenter on English TV, you may know him as he used to have his own show in the US. 

If you want any help in seeing if I could track down your Grandmother's family line in Scotland send me a DM with her first name/surname, place of birth.  I have a subscription on Ancestry as I am still building my family tree.

 


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03/12/2020 5:03 pm  

@elainesk

My family lived just south of St Andrews on a farm overlooking Kingsbarns.  My husband and I went to Kingsbarns about ten years ago and it was a very moving experience for me.   We stood at the entrance of Kippo Farm, but didn’t go in.  On the other hand, my mother (the extrovert genealogist) made the same journey twenty years prior, marched right into the farm, introduced herself and had a tour of the place.  She corresponded with the owners for years afterward. 😜

 


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03/12/2020 5:58 pm  

@coyote It is hard to gage if the path the UK are taking is the right path, today they moved from Contain to Delay phase which is so far right since we are now 490 people with the virus across UK with 10 deaths, 60 in Scotland but thankfully no deaths. Today was a Cobra Meeting with all 4 leaders of UK  Nations = Scotland, England Wales and Northern Ireland, including the Prime Minister, he is having a hissy fit because Scotland's First Minister did a press conference to bring the Scottish people up to date as soon as she could. The Government in England and especially the anti Scottish media people think Scotland's First Minister has no right to speak first to the people of her Nation, Nicola our First Minister wanted to bring us up to date as soon as possible so as our leader, she had every right telling us at lunchtime, the Prime Minister didn't have press conference till around 6pm so long wait for those who did not see Nicola's press conference.  Nicola differed on one path, she is putting it in place in Scotland that Prime Minister in London is not yet taking for England.  That is for mass gatherings of over 500 people are cancelled, the medical and scientific experts do not think there would be mass spread among big crowds but feel the frontline staff like Police who have to manage the crowds could be at risk of being infected and they are already stressed without seeing many off sick that will include public going to football/rugby games. 

The main worry and a need for reduction of crowds is to reduce the amount of people who may get infected in mass crowds because our Hospital staff are massively at risk of being shortstaffed with staff going off sick with illness then so much more pressure on an already stressed  National Health Service (The Conservative Government has reduced our NHSs to breaking point, thankfully Scotland's NHS has been the top performing of all 4 Nations over 4 years but only because Scottish Government has been putting as much money as they can afford into our Health Service. She said as far as schools were concerned, kids would still go to school because their attention to washing hands/hand gel usage is more likely to keep them healthy than if they shut the schools and kids would congregate in playgrounds to play and are more likely to touch many areas and not be washing their hands as much.  Every decision can change in a day depending on the numbers and where people are catching it.  Its a feeling that if like Italy we shut down everywhere, it could happen too soon and when we thought it was clear after the peak, it could return again because the decision to do it sooner than a little later may be to blame.  Many companies are sending their workers home who can do their work from home, if someone has cold like symptoms they are asked to self isolate for several days even if its just a normal cold, if someone has the symptoms of  coronavirus, the fever, the constant cough the breathlessness then they self isolate and if symptoms do not improve or if symptoms get worse then to contact our healthline.  That is to keep that phone line free from those who really need hospitalised. 

My daughter has a reduced immune system due to the meds she takes, she is on frontline as an Auxiliary nurse at our local hospital.  It is hard not to worry about her but her charge nurse knows she cannot go near anyone showing signs of even the slightest cold to be on the safe side. It is a nightmare isn't it! We know it has to peak and there are many more who will be sick before it eventually tapers off but its getting it right when those in charge know when to ring that bell of mass shutdown for a period of time, if too soon ir might backfire but if too late we may land up like Italy.  One thing for sure, our Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister will go ahead and do what is right for the people of Scotland, she has a real level head and stands head and shoulders above UK's Prime Minister who has an unelected side kick running the country, it is crazy that the PM gives him so much control but then again, if you listen to PM Boris Johnson you will know why we call him Bumbling Boris. ..lol  Already because of the reaction of the media voices and the politicians in England today thinking our First Minister had no right speaking to the people she governs because England sees itself above Scotland and we should know our place even though the Act of Union is about two supposed equal unions of England and Scotland but England has treated Scotland like the dirt under their shows while robbing our resources blind over the centuries. Here is an article about England's mouthpieces whining about Nicola telling Scots first. http://archive.vn/ozBRK This has caused a lot of anger in Scotland against their attitude, as far as we are concerned, we the people of Scotland have voted Nicola time and time again to rule Scotland, we did not vote in Conservative Boris Johnson.  I think there are many things especially Brexit that is causing an even greater divide of this union so I really hope @CelticWitch is correct, I think that is feasible, many want an IndyRef this year but most of us believe the referendum will happen within the next 2 years. This is another thing angering Scots, Westminster has said No to Section 30 which is Scotland has to ask Westminster for permission for an Indyref, Westminster said Yes to it in 2014 but this Conservative Government is saying No yet Scotland is an Nation in its own right and according to International Law, all people have the right to self determine their Nation and legally England cannot argue against that because We have the Claim of Right so you can see why it could be 2023, England will not give Scotland up without a fight since Scotland wealth of resources help prop up the  UK yet England has no claim on Scotland, they do not own us. It is a rocky road ahead but I definitely think more and more Scots will move over to the Independence side because of how much more arrogant and ignorant towards Scotland, the English powers and people will treat us https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claim_of_Right_1989

I can believe you have a tangled ancestry, I too have a real mixed heritage, many of my ancestors are traced in England, some going from Scotland to England or from England moving to Scotland in the early centuries especially when Scottish and English Royalty was intertwined even before the Act of Union. Many people from Europe travelled to England to live then to travel to the US by ship so there will be European in many folk's ancestry.  It is a fascinating thing to track back.  When I started my family tree it was the McGregor Clan that we were connected through my Great Grandfather, this was an interesting Clan, a bit on the wild side and Royalty in England decided to Proscribe their Surname when they got into a fight with another Clan that was favoured to Royalty, McGregors murdered several of the Clan when trying to steal some of their live stock.  For 170 years anyone in the McGregor Clan would be captured and hung or jailed if they dare use their surname, they would have to take on their wives names or Mothers maiden names but they were very much hunted because if others captured a McGregor who still used the name, they got a reward. Rob Roy McGregor a famous person in Scottish history managed to get the Proscription dropped and Mcgregors could use their rightful name, some kept the name they used (very difficult to track back family tree when under other names).  Amazing how I have learnt of Scottish history was through Ancestry....lol.  I have already connected to several distant DNA connections from US from our Scottish side, one family from Connecticut I met in Edinburgh last year, I have another DNA connection in Vermont. Tracing family trees are definitely interesting and fascinating. Sorry for long post, I could talk for the whole of Scotland.....lol.

 


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03/12/2020 6:14 pm  

@bluebelle You must definitely follow the path of your dear Mum, it would have been a privilege for the owners of the farm to show your Mum around.  A family from Connecticut who is connected via our McGregor line, they came to Scotland and went to Blair Atholl Castle where our Great, Great, Great Grandfather Charles McGregor was head Forester under the Duke of Murray back in the 19th century. It was open to the public but they organised someone from the Castle to take them around the Castle and the land, I had only the year before discovered my connection to Charles so last year my son took me to Blair Atholl Castle and I seen in one of the show Cabinets of the Castle's private regiment Atholl Highlanders, a photo of my Great, Great Uncle, Charle's son John who was in the Regiment.  St Andrews is famous for introducing Golf to the World yet our Scottish Golfers are pretty poor performers, they need to get tips from American Golfers.....lol.

 


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