Scotland's Independence

@jeanne-mayell Just read through all the predictions and no mention about Scotland leaving UK, this seems to have been predicted by several Psychics that it is inevitable, the break up of UK.  We are already over 50% of Scots who want to return to an Independent Scotland.  If this is not fulfilled by our Scottish Government and UK Conservative Government try and control Scotland who is an actual Nation and not a possession of England and if England treats Scotland as their Colony, there will be massive riots in Scotland, the depth of feeling of many Scots who are finished with the UK and English dominance will NEVER, EVER walk away from fighting for Independence and if it is denied us through massive dirty tricks like what happened in our last Indy Ref in 2014, the feeling of "if we are trapped in the UK with no chance of freedom even though Scotland has the legal right like all Nations in the International Courts to self determination, the we have nothing else to go on for and will riot and fight against whoever is in power in Scotland if our great Scottish Government is removed against our will through dirty tricks and Russian interference. Conservative Government like Trump, is involved with Russia re elections and it is believed Russia will be asked to stop Scotland leaving the UK since it is Scotland wealth in North Sea oil and many other resources like Scotland's mass North Sea fisheries, food and drink industry, renewable energy, (Scotland has achieved all homes in Scotland powered by renewable energy in one day of our windy weather) and mass tourism to name a few of our many resources that Westminster bleeds us dry of.  

Westminster since the 1970s have used and abused Scotland, using us as a dumping ground of London MOD's Nuclear toxic waste and still continue to try and dump more on our beautiful Nation.  That is why I cannot understand why Scotland is not once mentioned let alone UK overall in all those years and predictions you have made. I know like most Scots who have fought for years for Independence that if we are stopped from leaving then half of the population of Scotland will retaliate and for years if one of the London parties are in full control of Scotland.  Our Scottish election is next year, if dirty tricks is put in play and our SNP Government who have been winning since 2007 and in power since then, still as popular, all of a sudden lose power next year and are removed, THAT is when trouble on the streets of Scotland will start.  Scotland is no Butt and Ben country, Scots have been leaving massive footprints through history and most of the new world Nations like US are full of descendants from Scotland, so many towns names are named after Scotland's towns and villages not just in US but in Canada, Australia and New Zealand but we feel as if because of bullying England, the world especially people in the US actually equate UK as being England and that the other 3 Nations, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are somehow parts of England. That is the greatest insult to us, the UK is NOT a country, it is four countries that make up UK. Nothing mentioned about the split of the UK yet I see the reunification of Ireland has been mentioned, if that is fulfilled then I know Scots would most definitely leave UK too and follow our Celtic cousins our of UK.  Yet there is nothing from with positive news that Scotland has finally returned to being an Independent Scotland or mass disruption and troubles on the streets of Scotland for many years.  If we are robbed through corruption by the Conservative Government and their Russian friends then there will never be peace in Scotland. I really do fear for my beautiful Nation now.

@elainesk

Full disclosure here:  I am of Scottish descent and identify with that country.   While I don’t remember seeing Scotland leave the U.K. in our Read the Future meditations, I strongly feel that will happen.  During meditation tonight, I will include Scotland as a personal focus.

@elainesk  I also am of Scottish descent (and Spanish).  I actually have a lineage back to Robert The Bruce, along with a million other Bruces. Bruce is my maiden name. When I read what you wrote about Putin and the North Sea, I was sick to my stomach.  I too will send good light to your country.

@elainesk

I threw a card for Scotland looking at the future of the country and the card was Lust, Trumps.  This card  shows a naked woman riding a lion.  She's leaning back and holding what looks to be a chalice.  Now the lion makes me think of the historic Scottish flag with the lion rampant which was the flag of the Scottish monarchy.  So I see Scotland regaining its power and sovereignty.  

@elainesk

Many of my ancestors are Scottish as well.  Munroe and Woodrow. I have traveled there 3 times and had the best journey of my life last year when I traveled to The Isle Of Skye for a few days with my eldest daughter..  It was a blessed journey and very spiritual.  I was in AWE every  single day.

I hope the Scottish people will be able to write their own story in the way they wish to write it. 

Thank you all for your kind words and words of hope, we have endured centuries of being dominated by Westminster Parliament in England and over the centuries it has gotten really bad. When our mass oil was discovered in the 1970s, Westminster had Professor Gavin McCrone to write a report of how much wealth Scotland would have if the people decided to have a referendum for Independence, at the time the Scots were fighting for our own Devolution, our own Scottish Parliament which was disbanded when the Act of Union was signed by England and Scotland ( check out Darien Scheme, another part of our history where England shafted us and refused to help Scotland which eventually seen Scotland bankrupt because of wealthy elite and failure of England to help Scots, this was England's plan to see Scotland bankrupt to then say "England will help you out if you sign the merger between Scotland and England and we can have use your land at our will and we will help you out financially". 

Anyways, going back to the 1970s and the discovery of oil in the North Sea at same time Norway discovered theirs too.  Westminster Government knew that if we Scots knew we were in fact a very wealthy Nation now oil was discovered, we would indeed consider Independence instead of just having a Scottish Parliament and still having Westminster control a large part of Scotland.  Westminster Government under the Conservatives decided to file this McCrone Report (many internet articles on it) away in secret for 30 years so Scots would never find out as Westminster filled their Treasury of the wealth of taxes from our oil, Margaret Thatcher privitised Scotland's oil and all the time, Scotland was clueless as to how much wealth our oil was going to Westminster.  Scotland only received about 8.7% geographically, of what was OUR oil, it was peanuts and the wealth propped up England. 

What Westminster and their media also done was to spread the myth that Scotland was so poor that we were subsidised by England, this was a massive lie to stop Scots from ever finding out about our wealth in oil.  This vile myth still continues today by people in England calling us scroungers and there is plenty proof it has been Scotland's oil that has subsidised the UK overall along with the City of London financial capital.  when the McCrone report was finally released 30 years later, so many Scots who read it were so angry and sickened, they got behind Independence and over the years it has built to over 50% now.  As you can imagine, Westminster Conservative Government like in 2014, will do ANYTHING to stop Scotland leaving because not only will our North Sea be returned to its rightful owners, the Scots but also Westminster will have to admit to the people of England that they lied about Scotland being subsidised by England.  This is why I was so upset, we know under Boris Johnson he will try and take back our powers that we have in our Scottish Government, we have a wonderful party in SNP who run our Government but we know the dirty tricks and interference will be doublefold. 

Westminster have already said they will not give permission to give us another Independence Referendum but the people of Scotland are legally the Sovereignty of Scotland and Scotland is a Nation in its own right, England did to capture us or swallow Scotland into being a Colony of England even though they treat us like a Colony and since Scotland voted very much against leaving EU, we have more Scots who have changed to Yes because they want to still be part of EU but we must for many reasons leave the UK before the dirty tricks of Westminster, England will kneecap us and I guess when I seen no mention I worried that this could be our future.  I do my family tree and I have quite a few Americans who are DNA connections via our Scottish Family Tree, it is wonderful to see how far our ancestors went but a lot of Scots were chased from their islands and farms because English elite wanted to breed sheep.  Scottish people lost their homes for sheep and many emigrated and though it is sad we lost so many Scots, they spread their DNA across the world and connected us.

Sorry for long post but these are only a few of the many times Scotland has been basically shafted and lied about by the Government in London and it continues even till now and not many people outside Scotland knows why we really need to return to  being an Independent Scotland. We are totally different people and culture and definitely do not see ourselves as 'Brits'. Four Nations make up UK and UK is not a 'country', Scotland has a Government who gives a damn for its people though the percentage of reserved power that Westminster holds tries to cripple us and England is sadly controlled 100% by Westminster Conservative Government who are rotten, corrupt and very cruel elitists against our working class, poor, disabled, Immigrants and homeless.  Many Remainers from England have moved to Scotland since the Brexit vote and are very happy to be free of Brexit England. My lovely English daughter in law moved to Scotland with my son when he returned after 16 years living and working in England.  I feel complete now he is back home :-)

@elainesk I remember older Zoron's posts where he predicted Scottish independence. Perhaps you can look his posts up x

Bill Maher had Brian Cox (Scottish decent) on his show last Friday. Brian spoke with heart about the Scottish Independence. It was a pretty good show. Brian also calls out Netanyahu, UK, etc. One thing I thought of that the democrats here can use as a narrative is Socialism definitely needs a rebranding. That's why Yang was so good, Human Centered Capitalism is the way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yftawR0GM

@triciact

i saw that episode, too.  Had no idea Brian Cox is Scottish and I was very touched by his impassioned conversation about Scotland and independence.  I believe they could get a majority vote For that if they can get a new referendum.

Elainesk,

The one thing I hate about Scotland is how hard it is to move there! ? That has been a dream of mine for a long time.

My daughter spent time there last year. She adored it. Wants to go back.

I love the lyrics to Scots Wha Hae. Sums up the spirit of your country perfectly!

@jeanne-mayell I too am connected to Robert the Bruce through marriage, his sister Christina De Bruis (De Bruis is their original name) she married my ancestor Andrew De Moray (De Moravia) which eventually changed to Murray over the centuries.  Andrew is my 1st cousin 16x removed of 1st cousin 7x removed.  I am on Ancestry and I was thrilled going back to the 13th century and seeing the connections, I guess back then there weren't too many Scots unlike the population today and with so many Scots over the centuries spreading their wings it is wonderful how interconnected through ancestry so many of us are.  For anyone with Scottish or any other Nationalities, ancestry it is definitely a wonderful journey going back family trees. 

@polarberryBevause it is Westminster Government in London that controls immigration in the UK (for all 4 Nations) and they have made it so much harder since Brexit, many people have found it so very hard to move and settle in UK because of the attitude of Conservative Government in London & the majority of Brexit voters in England who are very against immigration unless you have special skills/qualifications that benefit UK ( I think it is appalling to demean immigrants who don't have high qualifications but certainly have worthwhile skills needed in many trades) Scotland has been vocal as to how welcome immigrants are in Scotland, we have many rural areas and cities which we want to be always filled with people of all Nationalities and Scotland has always needed immigrants, we call ourselves a mongrel Nation as in, we are such a wonderful mixed Nationality/Culture Nation and that our Scottish Government calls everyone in Scotland "Scots" this is to never have a divide of them and us as in non Scottish born and Scottish born, our saying is "if you chose Scotland as your adopted home then you are an adopted Scot".  We can but hope and pray that one day in the near future Scotland will return to being Independent Scotland like we were prior to 1707 then London will have no say in who Scotland opens our doors to and we can take back ALL our powers that London Government have dictated and we can hand back Trident to London since they use Scotland as a dumping ground for Nuclear submarines and toxic waste against our will.  Our Scottish Government and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon have been fighting hard to get our Immigration powers devolved to Scotland but London has told us No, they tell Scotland to sit down and be quiet and have kept us out of Brexit talks yet Scotland is supposed to be an equal partner in this Union of Nations...that is a joke! England treats us like their Colony and show no respect that in the signing of Act of Union in 1707 our Nations signed as equal partners and not as Master and slave.  We live in hope of freedom sometime soon Polarberry :-)

My great grandfather —the Reverend Bruce, came from Edinburgh planning to cross Canada and head for the south seas as a medical missionary.  But he fell off a hay wagon in Nova Scotia and got a concussion so they decided he wasn’t medically fit for travel.    He stayed in Canada and headed up a church in Nova Scotia.

@triciact Brian Cox is a very proud Scot and a wonderful actor, he has never forgotten his roots and stays grounded.  We have many celebrities who are openly pro Independent and we have others who worry about their career so keep quiet if they are pro Indy.  Val McDermid a famous crime writer, I went to school with her, she came out as pro Independent in 2013 and has spoken out many times on reasons why so many Scots want Independence, the pro Unionists try and have often likened us to nasty Nationalism the exclusive far right kind all because we want to self determine as an Indy Nation, Scotland has been globally recognised as being Civic Nationalism  which is an inclusive, welcome Nationalism that is about running our own Nation like many others who have left British Empire/UK over the centuries and decades...as seen in this list of 20th century who gained Independence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_that_have_gained_independence_from_the_United_Kingdom

Scotland is rich in resources, Westminster London Treasury needs that wealth of resources and have pretty much robbed us blind for several centuries. A very good website that has many, many blogs about Scotland's economy where you can see how Westminster has robbed us and their media has spread so much lying propaganda about Scotland.  I know there are many good folk in England but every Government in power in Westminster since 1707 have treated Scotland appallingly.  Sadly too many Scots still don't know enough about these facts and have been brainwashed on the lies by Westminster over the decades that Scotland is "too wee, too poor and too stupid" to be Independent and they chose to believe the rotten and dishonest unionist parties and their propagandist media. thankfully through more and more respected pro Independent Celebrities like Brian Cox as well as Sam Heughan of Outlander who is like his character Jamie and speaks up for Scotland's Independence :-)

Hey Jeanne, is that a hint to Elaine for an invite? ? 

Just kidding. Humor helps in trying times.

@dina  I have read Zoron's posts and it gives me hope, we have a tough fight ahead of us because the pro Unionists will do everything in their power and use every dirty trick they can find to stop us, not because they love us, the people but of the wealth in our Nation.  I have no doubt that if we were unsuccessful of returning to our Independence that once we'd been bled dry, England would not think twice about kicking our future generations of Scots and Scotland out of the UK absolutely destitute and on our own.  We absolutely need our Independence now in next few years while we still have great wealth in our land to become the kind of Nation we believe in, a progressive and prosperous International Scotland. The corruption within the UK Government and their Corporations, tax havens etc is appalling, several years ago my MP discovered Scotland was being used for moneylaundering, the setting up of businesses in UK is a power reserved to Westminster so my MP went to the Government Minister in Westminster who was in charge of this department and demanded he tighten up the ease in which small businesses were being set up with no extensive checking on the new businesses and this was allowing a lot of moneylaundering via Russia. It was in the newspapers and the Conservative Government decided to silence Roger Mullin, my MP when in 2017 snap General Election, Roger had a safe seat with a majority of 10k votes, he lost everyone of them yet he was a very popular, honest, hard working politician and what was unheard of, our region were anti Conservative yet it was Conservatives that pretty much took the votes from Roger. 

We believe UK government wanted Roger to stop uncovering just how deeply corrupt the UK government in London really was.  Many of us believe though interference, Roger lost his seat to silence him.  This shows the devolved powers Scottish Government has and the reserved powers that UK government in London has, very important powers that sadly control Scotland too much. https://www.parliament.scot/visitandlearn/Education/18642.aspx

@polarberry  If our Independence dream comes true, you can all come over and help celebrate our Independence ;-)

@jeanne-mayell

I have two lines of Scottish ancestry and one of my earliest Scots arriving in America was a Presbyterian minister and teacher who walked across Pennsylvania in 1828 and settled in Ohio where he founded a church and a school.  I have his handwritten journal from his trek across Pennsylvania.  My other line came to America in 1903 from Glasgow, but the family originated in Fifeshire, just south of St. Andrews.  My Scots ancestors were so lucky to come to this country where they weren’t bound by a class system and were able to explore more opportunities.  At the same time, I yearn for that country in a way I don’t fully understand, much less describe.

@jeanne-mayell What I love about Nova Scotia is how proud they are of their Gaelic heritage even today, the descendants have kept their Scottish/Gaelic heritage alive. Many of the Scots especially from the Gaelic speaking islands left Scotland when the wealthy elite of Scotland and England chased them of the land their ancestors had lived and worked as they did too.  If you have never read about Highland Clearances this tells you why so many Scots left Scotland, there was no jobs because of what happened during the Darien Scheme that pretty much bankrupted Scotland and against the will of the many thousands of ordinary Scots who were not given the vote, only a few thousand wealthy elite sold out Scotland because of their mistakes in this scheme and England had Scotland where it wanted it.

The wealthy elite from England and Scotland who had met in Edinburgh to sign the Act of Union had to flee into a pub in the Royal Mile in Edinburgh and hide in the toilet to sign the declaration because thousands of angry Scots rioted against this merger to make Britain instead of Independent Scotland and England. 
When I see the pro Unionist Scotsborn here in Scotland, I often think of Nova Scotia and for majority of us who are pro Independent Scots, we too are very proud of our ancestors, our history, our culture but we are made to feel like we have no right to be proud Scots and are often insulted by folk in England who make fools of our culture, our Highland dress but most of all our Scottish accents and languages, Scots, Gaelic and Doric. 

We hope Brexit is the catalyst that sees many more Scots come over to the pro Independent side, when majority of Scotland voted against Brexit but like the Governments we get in Westminster, because Scotland cannot compete with population of England at 54 million (Scotland is 5.4 million) we will always lose out to what England wants. England wanted Brexit, Scotland out of the 4 Nations voted most to stay in EU but we were told it is a UK decision so we have to suck it up and be dragged out against our will......it will always be like that as long as we stay in UK, in fact it will get far worse for Scotland as Westminster Government tries to rob us of the powers we have as a devolved Nation. We are hoping this is when Scots will get really angry, after all, our Scottish Government has protected us from some of the really bad austerity cuts and also have given Scots many beneficial policies that the rest of UK don't have like no university fees, free prescriptions.  I think the undecisive Scotsborn should watch the documentary of Nova Scotia I watched and see they pass their Scottish heritage down the generations. Westminster Government has told the supermarkets to stamp the Union Jack on food products especially Scotch Beef which is well known around the world, so many quality products produced in Scotland are now named as British. Imagine politicising our food eh! I buy products no matter what Nation they are from if I like it, I, like majority of pro Indy Scots we refuse to buy union jack stamped food, we are Scottish, not British ;-).