[Closed] Russian President's future?
In the last few days, we've seen the indictment of 13 Russian nationals and organizations, and another Russian athlete (curling) has suspected of doping. I imagine that we only know the tip of the iceberg of his actions, including jailing or having opponents/journalists murdered. Has anyone scanned him? Will he stay in power or is there a possibility of him tumbling out of power?
There is a prediction, i.e., a vision, that came during one of our visioning sessions of him being out in the mid-20s.His term is up but that doesn't mean he's out.
Regarding his fate it is a rather strange one. Ithe middle twenties, he is n fact, he has two possible fates, one much worse than the other. Neither fate is manifesting at the moment, but he will soon reach that Fork in the road. I think, in the middle twenties, I see him, in one fate, embroiled in a confrontation with the united states, and almost at war with the USA directly. But I think the war is, at the moment, a proxy war. it may go to direct war, this is not at all settled. he eventually, in this timeline, is forced from power, and a new leader takes over, who has terrible problems, with the West, internally, and with a reactivated political opposition. In one of which may be an assassination attempt on him happens. In the other timeline, he dies in and around two particular issues, and, in particular, he faces death or is forced from power, as a result of involvement with a proxy war with the West, or from internal revolts and a possible military Coup. The Americans are blamed for this, but it is more complex than that. There is also a chance that he may fall, in the next 18 months, or sooner. This is also as a result of involvement in a war. Not good.
Twice in meditation I've seen him as an old man, frail, leaning on a cane and falling down the stairs. In my visions he dies from the fall which is accidental but actually isn't. Zoron if it isn't too much for you can you please do a reading on him in more detail. I want to understand the inside of his mind and where the evil comes from. My own ideas are related to the collective trauma all Soviet citizens suffered and passed down through the generations, as well as something to do with the Mongolian invasion in the middle ages. In my minds eye I see a tatar face overlooking Russia and casting an ominous shadow.
I thought that Masha Gessen had a good analysis of where his behavior comes from in her book The Man without a Face, which you actually turned me on to, Natalie. Gessen pointed to a few aspects of his childhood that explain a lot -- that his parents are not likely his biological parents, so there's disturbance from the beginning. That he was physically small and left to fend for himself in a cruel bullying schoolyard. That he learned at an early age to be a fighter, a bully, a tough guy in order to dominate the school yard the way he dominated his adoring parents.
Then there was the home he found in the KGB, as a spy, and his loyalty to that spy world and the old Soviet regime. I feel that Russia is his true love - preserving and making it the most important country in the world at whatever price in lives and treachery that would cost.
Also there was his narcism and need for having the trappings of wealth. His parents gave him an expensive watch at a young age, something they could barely afford. He was an only child. Coddled, made to believe it was always about him and for him.
When I read him, I see a streak of vengeance that knows no bounds, and cruelty that also he's willing to use if he feels is it necessary to stay on top. He's a loner. Like Trump, Putin has little loyalty except for those who demonstrate their loyalty. But if anyone crosses him, no matter what good they've done to him before, he will hurt them. He thinks little of most people, including Donald Trump. He thinks little of people who expose themselves the way Trump does. Secrecy is supreme.
When he begins to age and become frail, he's going to find a successor the way his predecessor Yeltsin did. He's not going to take a chance that someone will take over and go after him.
Thank you Jeanne for your insight. You're right I do know his story from that book and other places. Masha Gessen's insight I find to be incredible and I've read several of her other books since like The brothers about the Boston bombers and most recently The future is history about the collapse of the Soviet union and what happened afterwards.
Here are the predictions about Putin from the Prediction Page Timeline: Putin is now age 65.
- 2019 Putin:
- Putin out. (Meghan)
- Putin – focus is now more overtly on him – no mistaking now his aggression and vengeance toward U.S. He remains physically afar but threat of tangible aggression, including possibly missiles, both obvious and certain. Congress distressed but uncertain how to contain him and maybe cannot. Republicans finally get that they have created conditions for this by looking the other way when dealings have benefited them, even indirectly. Lion let out of cage and now cannot get him back in. This will have to run its course. Things will have to come to a frightening head. No secret now regarding his negative intentions, hatred, and rage. Trump is irrelevant now, barely a figurehead, effectively neutralized and metaphorically castrated, impotent in government. More people finally see him for the incompetent, doddering fool he is. Also cognitive decline becomes more evident, and this is a process that has probably been going on in him for some time. (Traci S.)
- 2020 Europe threatened by Russia. Putin does not succeed. N.AT.O. stands firm. U.S. is strong N.A.T.O. ally. (Bluebelle)
- 2021--Putin off his horse. Someone else rises to power now. (Michele)
2023--Putin’s ‘power’ has been neutralized. I’m not sure if he is still present. (Maryellen)
2028 -- I see Putin, looking very small, hobbling with a cane, in his underwear. (Svetlana) Note Putin will be 76 years old in 2028.
Hi natalie, good to see you back and posting!. I miss your excellent reportage! Zoron.
Thank you Zoron, I'm sorry for the silence. I always read this site but I am a natural introvert and so at times get shy or distracted by my daily life. I should have participated more in the remote viewing, this week's target I will meditate on tomorrow. I think putin is a good target for rv however its difficult for me to get much on him, he's not easy to read, or maybe at least for me he isnt. That last prediction Jeanne posted above from Svetlana (her name means light in Russian) is similar to what I get, a decrepit old man holding on to power with his last strength. Thanks Jeanne for reposting those predictions.
Natalie, we are very pleased to see you back, and posting. Please feel free to take part. I am posting, a day late, RV7, and it will be Putin. hope you can contribute. Zoron.
Many years ago I had a strange vivid dream about Putin. In my dream I was a young, beautiful girl, late teens or early twenties, long long blond hair and an extremely high IQ, rather humorless, maybe on the spectrum.
Putin was smitten with her and tried to make her a mistress and she strangely slowly fell for him, too. For Putin she wasn't just an ordinary mistress but he was fascinated with her special gift: She was a brilliant card player (poker?), due to her outstanding intelligence, an ability to read people and she had a midas touch. I remember being in a fancy old room in an historical building with some of Putin's favorites, many more highly intelligent people with special gifts like hers, chess players, maybe programmers etc. His objective was observing each one of them and to understand the core of their gifts but he treated them nicely (but they also were all friendly with him).
This struck me as a very strange dream, not only because it was so vivid but also I'm neither blond, nor super intelligent, I don't play cards and certainly wasn't interested at Putin at all back then.
Natalie, is it true that in Russia women think Putin is hot? He certainly thinks of himself as sex-symbol (I mean c'mon, those silly calendars he churns out annually, tzzz)
Fascinating posts, all! Thank you.
Some women in Russia I am sure think he is hot. But don't put too much into it because it's the kind of attraction that women have for strong leaders and men, its a type of charisma thing. I don't think the younger generation thinks he's that sexy, but then again I'm generalizing. People in Russia do support putin (most of them) the same way people support Trump or previously Mussolini or Hitler. Its a spell they're under and they're too emotionally invested to wake up, it would be too painful. Thats one reason I find it so hard thinking about Russia because I want the people there to be happy and free but I just can't see that happening soon, especially since freedom starts in the mind first. Regarding your dream, so many things about it are striking. Chess is very highly valued in Russia, intellectual pursuits like chess and others games are prized enormously. People's intelligence and cleverness is also hugely prized, Russians often times think that Americans are stupid for reasons like this. I've met plenty of stupid Russians and stupid Americans so I don't think they're stereotyped opinions are true but I do think that culturally they focus more on intelligence than we do, however its very narrow intelligence designed to serve the exclusive purpose of self promotion, altruism is viewed and silly. This is a generalization and obviously is not true for everyone, but the currents of these thought patterns are very real and strong in that culture. Lol ok rant over.
Natalie, fascinating! My grandfather is from Lithuania, he had to flee Russian occupation during WWII, but there is probably also some Russian blood in my veins due to the complex history of that area. Must have tapped into some ancestry lines in my dream state because I experienced this exact cultural attitude in my dream and I really know little about Russia.
Hahaha Tee I was born in Latvia's capital Riga and immigrated to Canada as a small child. My mother's side is almost exclusively of ethnic Russian descent, culturally and linguistically they are Russian. 130 years in Latvia and no one except my mother has ever married a non Russian. I have a lot of family in Russia itself as well as Moldova. I think sometimes we do connect to our ancestors, in weird ways at times. I definitely have had that experience more than once, its creepy but fascinating too.
I recently saw a preview for an upcoming documentary on the History channel on Russia andPutin. I tried to find when it will be on TV but haven't had a lot of success, when I do I will post times. Anyway what caught my attention was a quick interview wherein the person stated that power is everything inRussian politics and if Putin loses his power he will be killed. Sounds intreging? I found it interesting that you'll saw him as an old man.
His future plans for Russia as a world power: He's headed for a fall in 2020. Other forces from outside Russia will gang up on him and stop his success. Interesting that his climb to world power will fail when Trump also fails. It doesn't mean he loses power in Russia, but that Russia doesn't make it on the world stage the way he is hoping.
Overall thing to know about him: 1. He is a spy to the core. 2. He follows the playbook of Machiavelli, the darkest part of Machiavelli. (e.g., The ends justify the means, i..e, murder justifies staying in power; it is better to be feared than loved; trust no one; vanquish your enemies.)
What's in his heart? Deep in his heart, he grieves for his biological mother.
Fascinating how you get all this from the cards. I think there is a woman that is known to be his mistress but it isn't spoken about very much, its just something people know. Men like him are almost always lousy in the sack because deep down they are not concerned with anyone else's pleasure but also they're insecure and need to keep that hidden. The last part about his mother is incredible.
That makes sense. I feel an incredible cruelty to him, and it probably stems from the hidden grief for his mother and an inability to connect intimately with women. He probably longs for it but he can't go there because it would crack his outer shell. His silly calendars or his need for staging himself as tough, sexy man of nature are therefore another cloak to keep that part hidden.
Also the part of him being afraid of being perceived as frail. I found this article, and yes, the DailyMail is trash but it's worth looking at this just for the pictures. Putin keeps "getting younger", but that's just more than vanity. From what people said here it's essential to his survival to be perceived as vital.
I watched some youtube videos of Putin's state visits to Germany as the Germans exert themselves for having good relations to Russia (i.e. our ex-chancellor Schröder working for Gasprom). Putin sows so much discord in the world in meddling with foreign elections or for instance it just came out that Russian bots launched pro-gun messages in the aftermath of mass shootings just to attract opposite opinions and to further the divide in America. But if you hear him talk about international relations i.e. he is a "voice of reason". And people love it. I was surprised to find out that many Germans really like him despite the suffering of his people...
I think globally there are quite a few people that like him, mostly because he says what they want to hear and they can ignore the rest. It sickens me that our species has such a capacity for evil, but every day I realize that there are no depths people won't plunge to to protect their fragile egos and sense of safety and security. He can sound as reasonable as he wants to and deny everything but there is plenty of evidence of his activities regardless. It's like trump, how much did he promise people and what is he actually doing. As far as putin goes, Russian society was utterly destroyed by the Soviet union in particular the stalin and Brezhnev periods. It became a society of zero trust, honesty or integrity. A world where the highest values were criminal, theft, lies, manipulation, all for nothing but economic gain. Not everyone from that culture is like that, but every single one of us is exposed to those ideas. Growing up I heard things like who cares about right and wrong, all that matters is what you can get away with. Russian society and this includes the diaspora is suffering from mass intergenerational trauma, an epigenetic inheritance of extreme suffering. Obviously I'm generalizing, but look beneath the surface of any Russian family no matter how happy go lucky and you'll see it. Two books have really helped me to understand this better. They are 'The Whisperers' by Orlando Figes and 'The future is history' by Masha Gessen. Currently im reading ' Red Famine' by Anne Applebaum about the holodomir.
Phew rant over,I can go on tangents. Sorry
Hi! How lovely this forum exists!
When it comes to Putin, I think he will be out in a year and a half, 'round 2021,...at least...if I got the numerology right?!! Cheers!
My own meditations vary - but the last time I looked at it I stopped seeing him after 2022.
At the end of June, I did a meditation and threw some cards about this and got that there will be a struggle between the oligarchs and P. and that he comes out of it either weakened or out of power by the date his term ends. He tries to grab more power and it ends up working against him.
Thank you, I find it difficult to explain cause it's more of a culmination of intuitive pointers for me, combined with some superficial knowledge of numerology. I am by no means an expert lol.
With Putin I mainly looked at end of cycles in general, and release from a cycle.
His numbers - to me - are 5&7.
In general overview:
USSR/CCCP 1922--2021 is 99 years (9). I take 9 as end of cycle.
Russian Revolution in 1917--2021 is 104 (5). I take 5 as exit.
End USSR 1991. In early 2021 is 29 years after. 9/11 or 9/2 denotes change.
68 years after death of Stalin in 2021.Putin will be be 68 by then. 68 is 5 in year 2021, so also 5.
Putin started his career with the KGB in 1975. So 46 years later in 2021. 45 to 46 denotes end of cycle (9) and beginning of new one (1). So from end 2020 to 2021 beginning.
Putin has been in office as president for:
9 months August 1999--May 2000; 8 years from May 2000--May 2008; 2012--2021 8 years and 9 after May 7th. I will take this as 16 years (7) in total till May 7 2021.
Putin's ex-wife will be 63 (9) in 2021.
In 2021 his daughters will be 34 turning 35, and 35 turning 36. So I take that as 7&9.
2021 will be 23 (5) years after his mom died and 22 (4) after his dad died. Together (4+5) is 9.
In 2021 will be 7 years after the annexation of the Crimea, and 14 years after the restoration of the schism between the Russian churches.
Does this all make sense, lol?!!!!
By the way I hate math, and I am horrible with numbers. It could also be 2023...but all in all I think there is a high probability something significant will change for him in a year and a half around 2021.
Very cool and quite detailed numerological analysis combined with intuition. I’ve never seen anything like that before. :-). Thank-you for laying it out.
Great, Putin, Trump and Boris Johnson all need to go! Yay.
Do you think Putin will be globally impacted by radioactive fallout from the recent skyfall nuclear missile accident? Locals are saying "Chernobyl is happening again" and are advising residents not to do any fishing and not to eat any fish. There's also a rumor floating around that three dead bodies were shipped out of the area wrapped in materials that prevent radio-active contamination.
This is an excerpt from a Vice article:
"Official data show a spike in radioactivity near the blast site that was too low to cause real danger to humans. But the lack of transparency is fueling anxiety. Russian media have reported local officials doing things that don’t inspire confidence.
Regional authorities reportedly placed a bulk-order for gas masks. A temporary evacuation was ordered, then rescinded. Russian intelligence officers reportedly forced doctors treating the injured to sign non-disclosure agreements.
The bungled response is drawing comparisons to the notorious cover-up of the far-more-deadly Chernobyl nuclear disaster of the 1980s, although so far no one is suggesting that the threat to public health is anywhere near that bad."
I have no idea if this incident will negatively affect him or not. My impression is that this is just one more thing to pile on top of all the other things that will eventually topple him. I think a combination of renewed protests in Russia and his inability to keep delivering to his oligarch friends will do him in.
There is a large chunk of the Russian population that supports Putin - but that chunk is shrinking, especially among young people. The oligarchs who keep Putin in power also have children, and those children are slowly getting sick of what he is doing to Russia. It will be someone in the second group who topples him. I don't know why I keep saying this, I just feel it very strongly.
@Bluebelle had a dream of an empty cabinet. We all thought it was about Trump. Soon after, news stories emerged that Putin announced he was changing things around, with the first change being that he effectively fired his cabinet.
While Bluebelle's dream was about Putin, it has implications about Trump and his own hopes and plans for the U.S. Both men want to be president for life. Putin will succeed unless someone takes him out by force. Americans should read Russian journalist Masche Gessen's biography of Putin, the Man without a Face, and how he turned Russia into a Mafia state. It is not just about Russia.
As for what Putin is now up to with this latest move, Gessen just published the explanation I was waiting for: The Willful Ambiguity of Putin's Latest Power Grab. Worth reading to see where Putin is going with Russia.