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(@thebeast)
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As predicted on this site, a pandemic is on the way, a new coronavirus is spreading around the world . It has aerial transmition . The non-symptomatic perid can extend from 1 up to 14 days. And it has been confirmed that non-symptomatic patients can spread the disease . Death rate could be 3% or more . The younger and elderly are specially vulnerable . It is a dangerous, uncontain situation at the moment. You can protect yourself and help avoid the spread of the virus by wearing a N95 mask and by washing your hands frequently or using hand cleaner . Avoid travel and crowded areas .

RNA tests inticate that the first cases were acquired from a snake in a Wuhan wet market . Who knew you could expect worse than a venomous bite ?

Please stay safe . 


   
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Hi, everyone. This is my first post here, but I’ve been lurking for almost two years now. So, HELLO!

Anyway, I’ve been a little worried about this coronavirus. I remember during the Read the Future Night held back in November, Andrew Posey predicted a “disease that takes the attention away from power to survival” and “a rapid shift, decline to survival.” Well, here we are.

At any rate, I decided to throw some cards to see if Spirit could shed any light on what will happen. I generally avoid using the Tarot for things that spike my anxiety to avoid a false reading, but I thought I’d try for this.

I did a quick Past/Present/Future spread, and this is what I got – I’d be interested to hear what everyone thinks:

Past: 4 of Cups

Present: 10 of Coins

Future: 8 of Swords

My interpretation: A past of apathy and self-absorption has led us to this current problem. In the present, people continue to (perhaps unwisely) attend social gatherings. (Interestingly, I’ve seen some interpretations of the RW 10 of Coins as depicting a marketplace, which is where the virus is said to have originated.) Unfortunately the 8 of Swords likely indicates oppression, confusion, and isolation as the future result. I’m wondering if this means autocratic governments might use the coronavirus as a means to solidifying their hold on power by closing borders, etc.

I’d love to know if any of you disagree; as I said, I generally use the Tarot for personal readings for myself and those close to me. Also, I’d love to hear if any of you have picked up on this in any of your meditations.

Although I’ve never posted before, this community has come to mean a lot to me over the past few years and has brought me much strength when I needed it most. So happy to officially “meet” you all now :)

-SM


   
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I believe your reading is right . Under the threat of a dangerous virus even democracies become autoritative. Any government is under threat, specially if they cover up the situation and facilitate the spread of the virus . It will criple trust and make the outbreak much worse .

I believe China is meant to become a democracy as it becomes the greatest country on Earth . Could this be the beginning of it ?

Use your N95 mask, wash or sanitize your hands, avoid travel and crowded places . Please help avoid the spread of the new coronavirus . 


   
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@thebeast

Thank you for posting this! 

We're listening to the news but almost none of us are doing the things we need to do to protect ourselves from so many potentially lethal outbreaks now.

We forget just how small our world really is with world travelers coming in and out of our country and bringing so many germs and viruses in with them.

And I had no idea this all started with a snake bite.  Feels like a very potent sign somehow. 

We know our world population will be at risk in the decades to come as ice melt and glacial erosion release ancient microbes no one would even know how to treat and as we all build up a super resistance to the few antibiotics we even can take without allergic reactions or that even work at all even against MRSA which supposedly many of are now carrying and doctors,  nurses and hospital workers patently carry as well.

We all carry so much within us already (viruses, bacteria,  even cancer cells and diseases once considered curable are now harming (as you have said) the very young and very elderly. 

And just this morning I heard on the news that Trump was bringing all the Americans home from the stricken areas of China...healthy as well as I'll. How's that all going to work?

China may think they are able to build a hospital in 10 days but apparently those of us who live in the U.S. (with so many inmates running our institutions) would need to hold a Congressional hearing to call a spade a spade much less know how to find one, use one, or how to pay for it--much less get anything that needed done right now--actually done.

 

 


   
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@michele-b

It probably wasn't a snake bite . It looks more like in the making of snake soup or barbecue, infected snake lungs and guts got tossed on the floor where they stay all day long. As this virus seems to have great ease to get airborne, some people ended up breathing it in . Maybe the cook got infected . Unawarely they started spreading the disease, and then got sick .

We are all connected . Our prideful predation of mother Nature can only bring disaster .

 


   
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@thebeast

Makes me think of the movie "Contagion," and the chef wiping his bloody hands on his apron, then going out to greet diners who want to compliment him on the meal, thus starting the spread.

I have a friend who is currently in Kyrgyzstan, near the border of China, and they have been told to not eat any meat from street markets, nor certain fruits (specifically apples, bananas, and oranges).


   
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@thebeast, I noticed yesterday that the stores where I live are sold out of anti-viral masks, as well as Amazon!  

People who plan to fly should read up on how to  protect themselves from catching this virus on an airplane where passengers sit in close quarters and breathe each other's air.  I scanned a bunch of websites and found this sensible advice for anyone who wants to avoid catching cold and flu viruses in from air travel:  (1) Sit in in your seat and stay there the whole trip. (2) Don't touch the magazines and other materials in the pocket.  (3) Try to take care of bathroom needs before the flight. If you must go to the restroom, don't touch anything with bare hands.  (4) Wash hands in warm soapy water for 20 seconds, (5)  Wear an antiviral mask during the trip.  I didn't have this advice when I traveled a few weeks ago but because it was flu season, I hunkered down in my set, zipped my jacket all the way up so it covered my nose and mouth, and went to sleep.  The jacket is not anti-viral, but at least it keeps droplets from hitting me if someone coughs or sneezes. 

This virus has some daunting properties that help it to spread:   A Lancet study that followed just one family with the disease noticed that one child carried the virus but did not get sick.  So it is possible that this virus can spread through asymptomatic carriers.  It also has a 1-14 day incubation period, so anyone who is infected will not show symptoms during that time -- adding to the numbers of people who will go undetected.   At the end of the day, they need to be able to test people for the virus in the way that AIDS has been contained, but in China, they have run out of test kits.  

I don't expect that the Trump Administration will be helpful in making sure we have enough test kits and in setting up for a national public health emergency.  They will be more concerned with protecting businesses who stand to lose by quick and strict rules. They are also incompetent and under the leadership of a Bozo.  So far they've just been stopping people in airports who came from Wuhan and have symptoms. But it is undoubtedly spread by people who show no symptoms, so they are allowing people to come in and circulate freely.  God help us.


   
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Is WHO still saying the virus is not global?  

They are waiting for what exactly?

Tick Tick Tick...


   
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@saibh

I wonder why those fruits?


   
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@jeanne-mayell

To those interested, the evidence poiting towards a snake origin came from this article on the journal of Medical Virology .

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/jmv.25682

@michele-b

Sorry I mislead you to think it came from a bite .


   
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@jeanne-mayell

Thank you for the tips/suggestions for those about to fly.  My son is leaving Saturday to attend a friend's wedding in India and I am very worried about him being on a plane for so long as well as being in and out of airports and in crowds in India.  I just passed your tips along to him via email (I can hear him saying, "worry wart mom!" from here).  

I too checked Amazon for surgical face masks this morning and they are available for order but the earliest arrival would be next week (with priority shipping).  I did stock my son up with anti-bacterial hand wipes though, and he his has antibiotics that his travel doctor provided just in case.


   
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Is there a way to merge the two Wuhan threads? 


   
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Dang!

The latest breaking news is a student from ASU, the university my daughter attends , has the virus.  They said the infected person is not in University housing.  My daughter isn't either (so that is actually not comforting news) . This will be happening everywhere so we will be hearing more stories across the world and nation. But I must say, I wasn't expecting my daughter's University to be affected this soon.  That was a bit shocking.

Dang.  

I wonder what they will be doing in the wake of that info.

 


   
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FWIW my intuition tells me this will not become a pandemic but it will get dangerously close.  They will figure out a way to contain it.


   
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ASU has finally updated their website.   They (or the health department) will be notifying students who may have been in close contact with the infected individual.  Sounds like the "fun" will be continuing for awhile.  It has been been interesting talking with my anxiety prone daughter about the steps she needs not take to insure her health.  I don't think she is TOO worried, but then again, she doesn't share her feelings with ease.  If it was a face to face conversation I would have gotten a better take on how she is dealing with the news.


   
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Hmmm. There's a lot going on in this thread that I feel the urge to address.

First, in general. The coming wave of health scares resulting from antibiotic-resistant strains and thawing permafrost/melting glaciers is likely to speed up our globalized culture's transition from mechanistic, Cartesian medical attitudes to the more holistic practices that have been on the margins for so long. So there's that upside, @michele-b.

Regarding the coronavirus: I've been on a news blackout since the New Year, and, unless something  really explosive happens, I will probably continue with my blockade until the spring. So this is just my intuition speaking. The measures @jeanne-mayell suggested for travelers sound spot on, and you may want to consider wearing an anti-viral mask if you're often in crowds or live/work in institutional settings. For everyone else, though, the best thing you could probably do (right up there with washing your hands regularly with warm water and soap) is spend as much time as possible outdoors in fresh air. Better yet, get dirty. Take up gardening, do vigorous yard work, channel your inner 5-year-old and frolic in the woods. Drenching yourself in all of those microbes from the soil and volatile organic compounds exhaled by plants will act as a super-boost to your immune system. (If you really want to go hardcore, consider eating wild edibles as well ?.) Part of the reason why so many viral/autoimmune problems are flaring up right now in the human population is because we in the "modern" world have forgotten that we evolved in biotic cooperation with the palimpsest of living things that compose Gaia. The neurotically sterilized environments many of us associate with "health" are only one more manifestation of the mind virus of human separation from and control of nature.

Which leads me to my next point. Michele, I like the humor of your characterization of the American federal government. But there's not much to envy in China's centralized, top-down approach to problem-solving. Complex emergent systems, including human society, need flexibility and a diversity of inputs when responding to a crisis. That's how we get synergy and resiliency. The hyper-centralized Chinese Communist response to threats snuffs out the possibility of resilience and epitomizes the mentality of separation and control (which is also closely related to the mentality of war: "vanquish the enemy!") This sort of response to pandemics will only work in the short term. Eventually, the organic palimpsest that is Gaia will break through our myopic defenses and put us (back) in our place.

@sistermoon That 8 of Swords and your interpretation sound accurate. But it's not just autocratic governments that will use the coronavirus (or any sort of pandemic) as an excuse for solidifying power. Even established democratic governments tend to respond to natural calamities by clamping down on freedom and squelching the sort of organic, emergent solutions I mentioned above (Rebecca Solnit writes about this in A Paradise Built in Hell). That's because most of our governing institutions in the world right now, by their very nature, are centralized, hierarchical, and profoundly disconnected from the natural. The energy of the collective is going through an epochal shift, though, so I don't expect the 8 of Swords situation to last very long.  

 


   
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@jeanne-mayell

Thanks!  I'm stuck at home with a dog who just had knee surgery but my daughter went to 4 CVS stores today and the last one she visited had two boxes left.  She bought both boxes and gave one to my son to pack for his trip to India.  She is in graduate school at a university that has a lot of students from China so she will use the other box,  saving some of the masks for my husband and I.   I'm very glad she was able to get some for my son before his trip! 

I also gave my son a big bag of individually wrapped anti-bacterial wipes to take with him.  But my daughter did me one better - in addition to the masks, she bought a pair of  elbow length leather gloves for my son to take too.

I have to admit that one made me chuckle - I'm picturing my son at an Indian wedding decked out in leather gloves and a face mask.   But, the thought was good.   :) 

 

 


   
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 CDC - NIOSH-Approved N95 Particulate Filtering Facepiece Respirators - 3M Suppliers List

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/n95list1.html

Several government sites list the very specific N95 masks that are needed to keep viral particles from coming in as opposed to surgical masks worn in operating rooms whose primary purpose is to keep the doctors, nurses etc. own aerial bacteria and viruses etc. from getting to the patient not the other way around.  

And according to government sites just being labeled N95 doesn't mean they've been tested or approved by CDC or other government agencies for the needed level of protection. 

Thinking of you @lovendures and your daughter. Sending you both organically replenishing love and hugs and keeping everyone, everywhere in my heart?

We need to nourish and care not only for our own beings but all who are part of us as a daily practice of mind-body-and spirit now. 

Obviously with something like this there hadn't been the needed research of any kind yet much enough testing kits produced for an epidemic much less a potential pandemic. 

But all we can do is our best in finding products for ourselves or loved one who are high risk or in potentially exposed areas. 

Anything is better than nothing and cleanliness of hands and keeping our hands away from our noses, mouths and eyes needs crucial mentioning. And this is the benefit of any mask or scarf or gloves in any setting even from cold or flu.

 @coyote

Humor is an essential part of attaining balance and healing. I practice it daily. 

After reading your excellent comment about going out into nature and breathing it all of the wonderful healing and intrinsically immune protection microbes and lovely organic organisms we have around us, I told my husband I was going to go out today and roll in the dirt and mud that a trio of escaped pigs created when they dug up and totally destroyed our lawn.

The pigs have caused him no end of emotional distress for weeks and weeks as their owners neither fed them nor repaired broken fences--we ended up saving two of them via a rescue organization and farm animal sanctuary by walking right up to the "Do Not Trespass" junkyard/ drug house and kindly addressing our and the sweet pigs distress and getting permission to find them new homes.

Yes, believe it or not it worked when sheriffs and community agencies had failed the pigs and half a dozen upset neighbors for the past three years.

As someone who lays in grass or on rooftops frequently breathing in father sun and mother moon, my husband was afraid I might actually do it. Well except perhaps for the actual rolling around and getting back up again. 

 

 

 

 


   
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@michele-b

You brighten and enlighten my day!


   
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Love you ?  and hope you are laughing. Goodness knows we need good times and a lot of laughter right now. 

 


   
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