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02/12/2020 11:12 pm  

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Perhaps someone can help me understand this latest news coming from China.  Was the previous way to diagnose the disease super strict and now it is just more an assumption based on scans?

This is a HUGE jump now! 

China’s Hubei province reported an additional 242 deaths and 14,840 new cases as of Feb. 12 — a sharp increase from the previous day. The province said it is starting to include “clinically diagnosed” cases in its figures and that 13,332 of the new cases fall under that classification.

The government said that a total of 1,310 people have died in the province and that 48,206 people have been infected in the region.

 

The change was made so that more patients could receive the same treatment as a confirmed case would, according to a CNBC translation of the official announcement’s Chinese text.

The online release cited a national-level virus response plan issued last week, which expanded the definition of clinically diagnosed cases in Hubei province to include suspected cases for whom CT scans showed indications of the disease. It was not immediately clear why Hubei was implementing the measures this week. — Cheng

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/coronavirus-latest-updates-china-hubei.html


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02/12/2020 11:17 pm  

The disturbing jump in total numbers tonight is because of a change in classification - confirmed cases now include both those who test positive and those who have been clinically diagnosed but have not yet been tested. They added the entire backlog of 13k clinical cases at once so the numbers look kind of scary. We should have a better idea how things are really tracking with clinical cases over the next few days as reporting stabilizes.


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02/12/2020 11:22 pm  

More on the Diamond Princess and the Holland America Westerdam

Another 44 people on board The Diamond Princess moored off Japan’s east coast have tested positive for the coronavirus, bringing the number of infections on the ship to 218.

The latest cases were confirmed after a further 221 people aboard the Diamond Princess were tested, the health minister, Katsunobu Kato, said on Thursday.

A quarantine officer who boarded the ship to conduct initial health checks last week has also tested positive for Covid-19.

 

A team of officials will board the MV Westerdam to conduct health checks as the cruise ship remains anchored 1km (0.6 miles) off the coast of Sihanoukville port in Cambodia, regional governor Kouch Chamrouen has told Associated Press.

The ship, which has 1,455 passengers and 802 crew on board , arrived at the port early on Thursday. The passengers, who are mostly American, Canadian, British and Dutch, will not be allowed off until the checks are done.

US ambassador to Cambodia, W Patrick Murphy, said he sent an embassy team to work with the ship’s representatives and Cambodian officials to help Americans disembark and transfer to their onward destinations.

 

Fear about the Tokyo Olympics

 

The president of the Tokyo 2020 Olympic committee said on Thursday that the Covid-19 outbreak would not affect this summer’s Games.

“I want to again state clearly that cancellation or postponement of the Tokyo Games has not been considered,” Yoshiro Mori said at the start of a two-day meeting in Tokyo with the International Olympic Committee.

The chairman of the IOC coordination commission, John Coates, said the coronavirus was an “unexpected issue”, adding that organisers would draw up appropriate measures to protect athletes and spectators, Kyodo news agency said.

Last week the organising committee’s chief executive, Toshiro Muto, said he was concerned about the impact the spread of the virus was having in the run-up to the Tokyo Games, which are due to open in 162 days. Several qualifying tournaments that were due to be held in China have been postponed or moved to other countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/13/coronavirus-latest-updates-deaths-in-china-pass-1300-with-jump-in-cases-live-news


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02/15/2020 8:44 am  

These extreme measures just how seriously some are taking this virus. Not sure about the rationale of virsl germ life on human hair but still understand that many are in such a panic and dealing with extreme stress and duress creates a need for some relief and additionsl hope that they are doing the best they can under trying circumstances. 

  • Chinese nurses heading to Wuhan are shaving their heads to help them fight the coronavirus epidemic more effectively.
  • Having no hair achieves a few things: It prevents the infection from spreading via exposed hair and also makes it easier to put on and take off protective gear.
  • Time pressure for medical staff in Wuhan is extreme, and saving even a few minutes a day is seen as worthwhile.
  • Extreme measures being taken include wearing adult diapers instead of taking bathroom breaks.

 

VIDEO: Chinese nurses in Wuhan shave heads to prevent cross-infection - Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-chinese-nurses-wuhan-shave-heads-prevent-coronavirus-cross-infection-2020-2


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02/15/2020 2:06 pm  

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WOW!

The shaving of heads or the diapers, I don't know which is more extreme. It is a true war zone in China right now.  

Update for virus news:

-Another 67 people onboard the Diamond Princess have tested positive for novel coronavirus, Japanese Health Minister Katsunobu Kato said on Saturday -- bringing the number of cases from the ship to 286.

The US state department has chartered 2 planes to evacuated US passengers onboard the Diamond Princess.  US citizens will undergo extensive screening and a 14 day quarantine period should they choose to disembark.

On Saturday, US passengers received an email from the State Department urging them to leave the ship and return to the United States. There are currently some 400 US citizens aboard the Diamond Princess. 24 Americans have tested positive for the virus so far.

-Africa has its first case, in Egypt.

The virus  has now infected more than 67,000 people and killed over 1,500, the vast majority in mainland China.

-An American passenger on the Westerdam  cruise ship, turned away from 5 countries despite no reports of illness on board at the the time before finally docking in Cambodia, has tested positive now for the virus.  She tested positive in Mayasia after fly from Cambodia with 144 others from the ship.

 

 


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02/16/2020 12:06 am  

Unbelievable!

Another 70 additional cruise ship people on the Diamond Princess have the Corona virus.

The total infected from the ship stands at 356 now.  One health official who tested passengers was additionally infected  There are (were?)  over 3,700 passengers and crew on board.  So, roughly 10% percent have now been infected.  Quarantine was due to end on Feb. 19th but with the daily numbers soaring of those now infected, that would be doubtful.  Canada, Hong Kong are sending evacuation planes in addition to the US which has started evacuating now or should any moment. The Aussies are sending an "expert" to evaluate the situation.  The UK is doing nothing at the moment and Brits are very upset.

While the passengers were quarantined, the crew was not and has still been on duty attending the ship and passengers.  Though masked, the crew has eaten meals together and still slept in crew quarters. 

This virus is VERY contagious!

 

 

 


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02/16/2020 12:31 am  

China is disinfecting and isolating used banknotes as part of efforts to stop the spread of the coronavirus that has killed more than 1,500 people, officials have said.

Banks use ultraviolet light or high temperatures to disinfect yuan bills, then seal and store the cash for seven to 14 days – depending on the severity of the outbreak in a particular region – before recirculating them, China’s central bank said at a press conference.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/15/chinese-banks-disinfect-banknotes-to-stop-spread-of-coronavirus


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02/16/2020 2:20 am  

@lovendures

Every year there's an additional horror story in the news that underscores why cruise ship vacations are a risk not worth taking. The quarantine of the Diamond Princess is the latest in the nautical nightmare procession. If I want salt air and sunshine, I'll just hang out on a beach, thank you very much.

 


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02/16/2020 6:44 am  

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Isn't that the truth? I turned down a whale watching tour for 1/4 the price on a vastly smaller boat simply because I didn't want to stand shoulder to shoulder with people I didn't know or barely knew for an hour and a half. Dealing with those energies would have totally distracted me from the sea, land, and sky.

Stuck in a boat with thousands would be like going to Las Vegas for the crowds, noise, smoke, perspiration, and hormones. No thanks.

We canoe or kayak if we want on the water but I like being out of it walking in the windy salty air breathing in and breathing out the really good stuff not man-made. My apologies to the good shows and on board classes people.

Besides I grew up where seeing whales was a regular activity and watching their beauty without screaming, yelling, finger pointing and selfies that I see in tourists now🤔

Blessings to those who think they're relaxing and fun and best and highest wishes for those who are ill or fighting other law suit claims now.

I suspect cruise lines are going the route of D.T.s casinos. 

 


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02/16/2020 7:21 am  

While I know in my heart that Jeanne is right and from our current public health viewpoint we all need to take care of ourselves and consider that getting influenza a or b is a far more serious risk than the neuvo-coronavirus to most of us now, I am still feeling too much anxiety from others especially here to not keep up with all of the goings on statistically and to know that the covering up of this virus by China is a serious indicator of perhaps far more relevant goings on. 

When Dr. Li Wenliang warned about the coronavirus outbreak, he was attacked as a rumormonger and of course ending up as a victim of this disease.

China’s mishandling of the coronavirus outbreak for political reasons and the fact that China is "a land of 21st-century science and 19th-century politics.Scholars in China predicted a year ago in an article in the journal Viruses that it was “highly likely” that there would be coronavirus outbreaks, calling it an “urgent issue.”

Once the outbreak occurred, other Chinese scientists rapidly identified the virus and sequenced its DNA, posting it on Jan. 10 on a virology website for all to see. That is pretty incredibly amazing when I think about how slowly so much works here in the U.S.

Meanwhile, the Communist Party instinctively organized a cover-up, ordering the police to crack down on eight doctors accused of trying to alert others to the risks. National television programs repeatedly denounced the doctors as rumormongers."

This NYT article mentioning that when Dr. Li Wenliang  caught the virus and died,  some made the point that if Li had been in charge of China, rather than President Xi Jinping, many lives might have been saved. 

Imagine that in the U.S. now. It most certainly could, would, and probably has already happened in many respects.

“The coronavirus epidemic has revealed the rotten core of Chinese governance,” a law professor in Beijing, Xu Zhangrun, wrote this month in an online essay that was immediately banned.

“The level of popular fury is volcanic, and a people thus enraged may, in the end, also cast aside their fear.”

It is remarkable that there is now a groundswell of anger online toward the dictatorship. Citizens can’t denounce Xi by name, but they are skilled in evading censors; such as by substituting President Trump’s name for Xi’s.

You have to admire that. Look how how often his own psychological abilities of projection have done the same.

With Chinas ever growing middle class and their own mentally unstable and narcissistic leader we can all see to potential for revolutionary uprising and hopefully change in Chinas long term future.

Xi’s government also mishandled a swine fever outbreak that began in 2018 and has now killed almost one-quarter of the world’s pigs and SARS epidemic in the 2000s. It also covered up an AIDS outbreak spread by government-backed blood collection efforts.

The opinion piece cited goes on to remind us of the vast numbers of impoverished farmers and workers died and that the government response was not to help those infected but to punish doctor whistle-blowers ..hmmm..remind you of anyone who has similar responses to or news?. 

The amazing reminder in this piece for me was that "it’s a tribute to China’s progress that a baby born in Beijing today has a longer official life expectancy (82 years) than a baby born in Washington, D.C. (78), or New York City (81)."

 Doctors battling this virus are working almost around the clock with limited supplies, taping up masks, using goggles made of plastic folders and eating only one meal a day or wearing diapers so as to go to the bathroom less often in order to jot have to waste time removing protective clothing that can’t be replaced. 

That's beyond dedication to me. That's  also medical desperation. The emotional furor, the fear, and even the levels of beginning panic is what I feel we need to be paying attention to as a predictor of the importance of these years ahead especially as we see the effect if global impact in so many, many ways.

So incredibly sad when lives are lost due to the narcissistic ego of a dictators need for control. My heart go out even more than it did before learning about and thinking about what this virus really is creating now. In all of those in China and emotionally in those who focus on it now and their own fears, angers, depression are rising and altering the energies of the collective once again.

So incredibly sad when lives are lost due to the narcissistic ego of a dictators need for control. My heart go out even more than it did before learning about and thinking about what this virus really is creating now. In all of those in China and emotionally in those of us who focus on it now and their own fears, angers, and depression as they are rising and altering the energies of the collective once again.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/15/opinion/sunday/china-coronavirus.html


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02/16/2020 11:24 am  

I feel as though COVID will ultimately be the event (or rather chain of interlinked events) that will make the world stop to catch it’s breath. It has already highlighted so many flaws and weaknesses around the world - how critical basic hygiene practices are in disease control, cruise ships for their ability to transmit sickness among the passengers and crew, how deeply intertwined our manufacturing economies are, and how the actions of corrupt or inept leaders inevitably come down upon the masses.

 

But as troubling as the situation is, I’m not picking up on a sense of panic or fear (outside of conspiracy circles, but that’s just their base currency and language). If anything the message I’m hearing is, “be aware, but know that this storm will pass.”


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02/16/2020 3:15 pm  

@michele-b @saokymo, such great information and interesting thoughts.  

As bad as this is in China, and it is horrible there, I believe it is a wake-up call for the world.  

A virus that is deadlier and as easily transmitted as the one, will cause global  devisation.  "They" will be studying this outbreak for decades.  Industries in health and safety, transportation, travel,  food distribution, sanitation, economists and journalists will need to re-evaluate how their fields are organized and run. Government and how cities and countries are managed both proactively and during the crisis  will come under scrutiny.  All these areas will be studied in order to have a better understanding of who, what where when why and how this crisis was managed (mis-managed).  There will be changes made and warnings ignored as well I assume.  Ethics in a crisis like this will be analyzed too. 

How much will people now be expected to take care of them selves is similar situations and how much will the government need to provide? Will handshaking become a thing of the past? 

How does one shut down a large city yet provide the basics for life to continue?

One thing for sure, we can not be reliant on one country to supply goods for the world.  For example masks or basic ingredients to make pharmaceuticals.  

@coyote, this will make many rethink cruising and even flying and public transportation.

 

 


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02/16/2020 11:44 pm  

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Last year I meditated a few times on China's future, and I kept seeing that by the latter half of the 2020s, there would be problems in the communist regime and a major discontinuity in the country's political structure.

In Chinese history there's  a concept called the "rule of the mandate of heaven," which basically boils down to the power of the people to overthrow a dynasty when it is no longer serving them. The current political dispensation in China is just a Marxist facsimile of an imperial dynasty, so it's inevitable that it will be overthrown at some point. Many political and economic analysts like to go into histrionics about the "Chinese juggernaut," when really the dazzling economic might exuded by Beijing is a paper empire built on quicksand. Economic problems have been percolating in the People's Republic for quite some time, and I see COVID as setting off a chain of existential economic (and sociological) crises that will break the loyalty of average Chinese people to the powers that be.

 


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02/17/2020 3:46 pm  

Another 99 from the Diamond Princess tested positive for the virus bringing the total to 454. 14 evacuated US citizens had been diagnosed with the disease.  

The UK is going to send a plane to evacuate their citizens now.  The government has now made a Holiday Inn near Heathrow Airport a corona virus facility for those at risk of spreading the disease.

Global cases are now over 71,000.

The Tokyo Marathon will be closed to all but elite runners to reduce the risk of spreading the disease. 

There are concerns about the practice of "self-isolating" at home. ( Seriously?  This is a surprise?)

-The deaths of four members of the same family in Wuhan have raised concerns over the practice of self-isolating at home, Chinese media group Caixin reports.

Chang Kai, a director at Hubei Film Studios, died on 14 February aged 55 from pneumonia caused by the Covid-19 virus, according to an obituary published by his employer.  His father, mother and older sister also died from the disease between 28 January and 14 February, according to the Caixin story.Chang Kai reportedly tried to take his ill father to a number of hospitals, but was turned away at each one due to a lack of beds. His father died at home a few days later.

 

My heart breaks for the students who are stuck in China right now. They (and all people dealing with this situation) truly need our prayers and a lot of light and love.  Here is one story of what it is like for these trapped college students.

A Pakistani international student on a university campus in Wuhan, the city at the centre of the coronavirus outbreak in China, has told of how he and other international students have been ordered not to leave their dormitories.

More than 100 foreign students at Wuhan’s Zhongnan University of Economics and Law had been allowed to visit grocery stores for one hour a week to purchase basic necessities.

They have now apparently been advised to remain in isolation to reduce the risk of possible disease spread, though it is unclear if anyone has contracted the deadly virus.

“There are lots of people in this situation,” he said. “I am not alone. For the past few days, we have been told to stay in our room and not go anywhere. Our exterior doors are locked and we cannot go outside.”

He and his fellow students spend most of their time in their rooms, only leaving to cook food in bulk to then refrigerate. 

"All students are scared and waiting for this disaster to end or our countries to rescue us. We are trying to stay strong and encourage each other."

It should be noted, there are over 500 Pakistani students studying in China and there are not current plans to rescue them. I can't imagine being locked in your dorm.  If there is a fire...

Current live updates regarding the virus can be found here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/17/coronavirus-live-updates-us-citizens-japan-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-china-wuhan-hubei-cases-death-toll-latest-news


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02/17/2020 11:14 pm  

Reading this makes me think of Nazi Germany.  Well, there are other aspects of Chinal make me think the same thing.  But this is creepy.

In China, the fight to contain the virus is continuing despite encouragement that the number of new cases has fallen below 2,000 for the first time since January.

The Global Times newspaper reports that a “dragnet style” operation is under way in Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak, to make sure all those infected are “rounded up”.

The operation was ordered by the city’s new party chief, Wang Zhonglin, on Sunday and aims to be completed in three days. Big data and AI would be used to assist the operation.

The three-day campaign aims to fulfill five objectives: have all suspected victims receive nucleic acid tests; round up all infected patients; check all patients with fever; put under quarantine anyone who has had close contact with patients; and ensure all communities and villages implement 24-hour closed-off management measures.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/18/coronavirus-outbreak-updates-coronavirus-live-updates-hubei-deaths-china-wuhan-outbreak-apple-iphone-death-toll-latest-news


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02/18/2020 1:51 am  

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Dang it!  I have been following them everyday.  This is so sad for them and their biggest fear.  They were terrified that they would have to go to the hospital in Japan for many reasons .

Thanks Laura for Reporting this.  This is just so very sad.

 


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02/18/2020 8:37 am  

Here is a case study from the New England Journal of Medicine about the first diagnosed US case:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

He seemed to have relatively mild symptoms at first, including nausea & diarrhea, and developed pneumonia starting on day 9. He was given supplemental oxygen, but it’s not totally clear how severe his breathing issues may have been. He was finally given an experimental antiviral medicine (remdesivir) under a compassionate use clause and recovered very soon after.


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02/18/2020 1:53 pm  

Concerns are mounting about how long the novel coronavirus may survive on surfaces -- so much so that China's central bank has taken measures to deep clean and destroy its cash, which changes hands multiple times a day, in an effort to contain the virus. 

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/17/health/novel-coronavirus-surfaces-study/index.html

 

Note: known as 2029-nCoV acute respiratory disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, a virus closely related to the SARS Virus. It is the disease in the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak. The term Novel (various spellings used by others) Corona virus has been intermittently as it is in this link but more frequently is now being left off it seems.


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02/18/2020 2:16 pm  

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I'm expecting a package from China that I ordered before this was an outbreak. From Guangdong, I think, definitely through Hong Kong.  I gave the folks at my UPS store a little heads up, and I plan to pick it up with gloves on, put it directly in a plastic bag, and open it out of doors, in my backyard, in the sun, spraying it with Lysol as I go, N95 mask on.  I tried to cancel the order, but it was too late and it's a costume I need for an upcoming show.

So I appreciate any info anyone has on how long it can live on surfaces, since I have no way of knowing if the item was manufactured, handled, packed, shipped, etc. by anyone contagious.

 


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02/18/2020 2:29 pm  

@laura-f Current estimates indicate the virus can survive up to 9 days on hard surfaces under cold, dry conditions, but it’s not 100% certain yet. I wouldn’t worry too much about the package since it will have been in transit for some time.

Opening it outside with gloves & pointing away from your face is a reasonable precaution, and you can wipe down the product with 70 to 90% alcohol to quickly sanitize it once opened (or run it through a hot wash & dryer cycle if it’s cloth goods, depending on the exact material).

 


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