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 Dina
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@jeanne-mayell

Thank you. Your words give me hope. x


   
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So with a few weeks to go I threw some more cards and finally had clearer visions. 

Cards: 

"Will Labour win 2019 General Election?"

- The Oak King:  Trapped in a place but resigned to the outcome.

- Knight of Athames: Will make swift and sudden decisions. 

- Reversed King of Chalices:  Changes. As the picture was reversed it was as if the picture was falling out the bottom of the card.  Sitting at the top table, but not for long. 

If Labour is able to form a government it won't last long. 

My feeling has been that this will be a Hung Parliament.  I've been having visions of an empty House of Commons chamber in darkness, seats are empty, no democracy.    This continues from Christmas 2019 to Christmas 2020 when the next vision sees the lights on but seats are still empty.  

Over this period: 

Prince Charles makes the yearly Christmas broadcast.  The Queen is ill. There is no working parliament due no party being able to form a government as there is a major clash of policies and no one is willing to give way, another general election is held within the year.  Same outcome.  During this time there is a financial crash, this affects Europe badly.  Extreme smaller parties come to the fore-front pointing out that Britain has no working government, no visible head of state and that they 'can solve everyone's problems.'  Major protests and possible riots erupt.  Heavy police and uniform presence on the streets, watch for a suggestion of a curfew  In Edinburgh politicians are under pressure to cancel annual Hogmanay street celebrations.  Here I had a vision of when the Berlin Wall fell.  Police/uniforms are standing by helpless when crowds of people are filling the streets, singing, dancing, laughing.  I got a feeling of 'people power' here.  There's an instruction for everyone to stay at home, but it is ignored.  People are waking up and realising that the system isn't working for them.  

Brexit happens incidently, as a cause of the financial crash.  It becomes a 'back-burner' issue until a government can be formed then it is agreed that because Europe has been affected so much it is better off with Brexit.  

I truly feel that we will see an awakening of people during this time. Governments will do their best to keep the population under control and try to get them to believe but in the old way but it won't work.  It's as if people just wake up one day and go 'Pfft'. I think this uncertainty has to happen to get people to realise none of this is working and we need something new. It's a step. 

 

 


   
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@celticwitch

Thanks a lot for this reading, Celticwitch. Do you have any thoughts (intuitive or otherwise) about whether Scotland will hold another independence referendum soon? Will Northern Ireland join the Republic? 


   
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So with a few weeks to go I threw some more cards and finally had clearer visions. 

Cards: 

"Will Labour win 2019 General Election?"

- The Oak King:  Trapped in a place but resigned to the outcome.

- Knight of Athames: Will make swift and sudden decisions. 

- Reversed King of Chalices:  Changes. As the picture was reversed it was as if the picture was falling out the bottom of the card.  Sitting at the top table, but not for long. 

If Labour is able to form a government it won't last long. 

My feeling has been that this will be a Hung Parliament.  I've been having visions of an empty House of Commons chamber in darkness, seats are empty, no democracy.    This continues from Christmas 2019 to Christmas 2020 when the next vision sees the lights on but seats are still empty.  

Over this period: 

Prince Charles makes the yearly Christmas broadcast.  The Queen is ill. There is no working parliament due no party being able to form a government as there is a major clash of policies and no one is willing to give way, another general election is held within the year.  Same outcome.  During this time there is a financial crash, this affects Europe badly.  Extreme smaller parties come to the fore-front pointing out that Britain has no working government, no visible head of state and that they 'can solve everyone's problems.'  Major protests and possible riots erupt.  Heavy police and uniform presence on the streets, watch for a suggestion of a curfew  In Edinburgh politicians are under pressure to cancel annual Hogmanay street celebrations.  Here I had a vision of when the Berlin Wall fell.  Police/uniforms are standing by helpless when crowds of people are filling the streets, singing, dancing, laughing.  I got a feeling of 'people power' here.  There's an instruction for everyone to stay at home, but it is ignored.  People are waking up and realising that the system isn't working for them.  

Brexit happens incidently, as a cause of the financial crash.  It becomes a 'back-burner' issue until a government can be formed then it is agreed that because Europe has been affected so much it is better off with Brexit.  

I truly feel that we will see an awakening of people during this time. Governments will do their best to keep the population under control and try to get them to believe but in the old way but it won't work.  It's as if people just wake up one day and go 'Pfft'. I think this uncertainty has to happen to get people to realise none of this is working and we need something new. It's a step. 

 

 

What do you think will happen to the left wing of the Labour party? Also, do you think that Labour eventually have a path to stable Government after the chaos.


   
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Another Scottish IndyRef will be held by 2023 or Scotland will be Independent by this point.

I think the Northern Ireland will join the South 'through the back door.' Ireland will offer to 'caretake' the North as its all one Island through the financial chaos. Stormont will remain the official government of NI, but it will eventually fall under the dominion of Ireland. 


   
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I've had previous visions of Labour winning a GE within 2 years and both John McDonald and Keir Starmer at leading the party. As if they are bringing both wings of the party together.

I feel optimism and hope in this vision. Anything before this is just more chaos and confusion that we've experienced the past few years. I wish I could say this will change soon but its not what I'm seeing.

I'm going to throw a corker in here a senior government minister (could be Boris Johnson) will lose their seat in the upcoming GE, there will be a massive swing to the Lib Dems in this supposed safe seat constituency. It will rock the Tory party to the core and they won't see it coming. 


   
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I did a bunch of  Tarot readings right after the election was announced.

1. The first set were on on how the different parties will do in the election. (decks used: Osho Zen, Legacy of the Divine). The outcome results I got were:

Conservatives - Result was the Osho deck card 'No-thingness' which I felt meant no real change (so they could retain roughly the same amount of seats in parliament?). But I find this card really tricky to read, as it could also imply no sense of direction, nothing to hold on to , or being in a state of potential. But my feeling was that there isn't going to be that much of a change for them. 

Lib Dems - 9 Coins - I felt they would make some good gains, and will be very happy about how they've done, so maybe they will increase the number of MPs they return to Parliament? I didn't get the feeling it means they will have an absolute win the election though.

Brexit Party - 2 swords -  felt like a state of equilibrium. Could be a tie with another party ?

Labour - Osho deck 8 water - suggested there may be some loss of support (lost seats?), but there is still some hope, some perhaps new gains also in some areas. It may prompt some kind of change or transition, and acceptance of it. Potential new beginnings.

SNP - Osho deck, Sharing - I think they will still hold some ground, and still have a 'candle light' i.e. some hope for growth, but it won't be at the level they want yet. 

2. I did a reading after to see how the leaders of the parties will feel on hearing the general election results:

Cons - 5 coins - feel a wanting, need a hand out. Perhaps a hung parliament and they need some help (coalition)? If the first reading is correct this could be true, i.e. if they have no real change in number of MPs returned they may still have a minority government and need support of another party again like the DUP.

Labour - King Coins - certain amount of stability still, holding onto the base, they still have something to buildn on. So basically he will feel like they still have some strength. D'idn't feel like a 'win', more of a 'standing strong(ish)':)

Lib Dems - 6 coins - they have some 'wealth' (i.e. gained support/MPs' returned) but they need more - there was a strong feeling of being at the mercy of someone else giving it to them - or perhaps they are ones in the position of giving what's needed to another party....(wasn't sure this was suggesting the only way they would be governing is through a coalition???)

Brexit Party - 3 Cups - they will (very happily) feel like they have really caused some disruption in the system, really shaken things up, my interpretation and feeling was that even though they may not return any significant amount of seats they will really feel like they achieved something and stirred things up in a way they think is beneficial for their cause and how they want to see things moving. 

SNP - V Faith - still need to 'keep the faith', keep the hope and work hard to achieve the goals, stay 'devoted'.

When I read cards I use a mix of scrying and card meanings so my interpretations may not be what other's would see. Not sure my question posed for the first set of readings was as good as it could have been so that might affect the resulting cards. But it was very interesting. I did a spread for the parties but have only shown what the outcome card was, so as not to make the post too long.

My overall impression is that Cons would stay roughly the same, Labour will have some loses, but perhaps gain new ground in some areas, but they won't win, Lib Dems will make some good gains (but not enough to command any kind of majority).

Of course things can change so I'm not saying any of this will be correct. I do hope I'm wrong on certain aspects! I'd be interested to hear if anyone got anything similar. 

 

 


   
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@dcd2510

I've had previous visions of Labour winning a GE within 2 years and both John McDonald and Keir Starmer at leading the party. As if they are bringing both wings of the party together.

I feel optimism and hope in this vision. Anything before this is just more chaos and confusion that we've experienced the past few years. I wish I could say this will change soon but its not what I'm seeing.

 

I hope you are right! We need some optimism right now:)


   
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So this happened when I asked about a People's Vote:

I went to spread the cards without shuffling them. (Not normal, I always shuffle)  To me this is a rush to get something done regardless of preparation or outcome. I then shuffled the cards and spread them to pick and some fell off the edge of the bed! (Falling off a cliff-edge?)

I always ask how many cards to pick I was told 3, 4 came out. They are: 

- Reversed Ace of Athames ( Swords ) : Inaction, obstacles

- Ten of Wands: Indecision, stumbling

- Reversed Knight of Wands: Disorganised, delays, losses

- The Oak King: (The Hanged Man):  Needs to take time to think about what it is they actually want. 

I then changed my wording to "show me a 2nd Brexit referedum" 

- Reversed Three of Wands:  Impractical, going nowhere

- The Moon: An illusion 

- Harvest: Results of hard work are shown (this should be a positive card abundance and joy,  but it seems oddly placed) I think it's more whatever the result will be now happy with the outcome. 

Reversed Star: This card when not Reversed is a positive card,  full of hope for the future and optimism. Unfortunately it's Reversed,  Indecision, doubt. 

As a psychic I can say that Brexit has been one of the worst times for seeing outcomes.  There's no clarity, in the cards, dreams or visions.  It's just a muddled mess. I do believe tho everything works in cycles. This is maybe the end of a cycle and the relationship with the EU needs to end. 

Wow, interesting, thanks. I asked a similar question back in October on what would happen regarding a 2nd referendum by the end of next year.

Using a Celtic Cross spread the outcome card was (from the Osho deck) 'Aloneness'  - this said to me there would be very little support, the idea would be 'alone in the wilderness'. There could still be some small support, and those supporters would still keep on going to try and bring it to light. This seemed to be in harmony with the card for position 'Near Future' which was the card called 'Slowing Down' which felt like there wouldn't be much movement for a 2nd Ref. It might be ready to go again in the future, but not for now.

This would suggest a party in support of this doesnt' get to implement it, or other parties throw away the idea, for a while at least. 

I can relate to echo what Celticwitch says about a mess - I haven't found readings on the subject as direct and clear as other readings I've done. 

 

 

 


   
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I'm feeling positive about Labour's chances. I can feel myself crying tears of joy when I see the election results in my head. I feel that Labour have yet again been underestimated. I'm thinking about seat count, for Labour, it will be between 275 and 340, with it erring closer to 300-330. Tories get around 240-300, with it being closer to 255-275. I feel that if there is a hung parliament in favour of Labour, they won't get heaps done, but Austerity will end, and some other positive things will be done, but the Government will only last a maximum of 2-3 years. If there is a hung parliament in favour of Johnson, he also won't be able to get much done.

If Labour forms a majority government, they will get more done, but will discover some ticking timebombs. They will stay true to their policies, but may have to do some things that are controversial to do so. I sense that they will be popular.


   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o0D0GEOR7I
This is a must watch. An ad by UK Labour with one of Emeli Sande's new songs, 'You are not alone.' It brought tears to my eyes.


   
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I read someone's comments in the EU on NYT today about Brexit - I fully agree with this person:

Alex
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"From a continental European standpoint, I say good riddance to the UK. Boris deserves a statue in Brussels as probably the savior of the EU, we haven't been as unified as since the original Brexit vote. We won't miss them and their constant demands for special treatment. The continent is fed up. It will be a reality check for many when Britain suffers as a result of all this, although not much of a surprise to anyone who has a clue.

It might be worth an analysis why the UK and US voters so blatantly and obviously vote against their own interests compared to other Western European countries and Canada. We have our populists for sure, but nowhere near that level of success. The Russians might interfere but they are not the reason in the end. Is it the media landscape, the populace less informed or plain dumber? I think the incessant "we are the best country in the world" attitude both countries always display with little justification that leads to a a lack of awareness and critical thinking which leads to buffoons in power like BoJo and the Donald.

Either way, we look forward to a united Ireland and welcoming Scotland, perhaps even Wales one day, into the EU:) England will come crawling back in a decade or two."


   
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There is a rumour that Rebecca Long-Bailey will go for leader on a joint ticket with Angela Rayner who would go for deputy, or vice versa. The two are very close friends. Rebecca is ‘Hard’ Left and Angela is ‘Soft’ Left, neither of them are centrists, either. Both understand the working class very well.


   
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Brexit Just officially Happened.  They are out of the EU.


   
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Does anyone know what will happen to poor Scotland?


   
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No but 51 percent of Scotland favors becoming independent right now in a recent poll.

Nicola Sturgeon is asking people to build a strong political case for leaving before having a new referendum.  

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2020/jan/31/nicola-sturgeon-independence-best-for-scotland-post-brexit-video


   
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Sir Keir Starmer is the new Labour leader. Angela Rayner is his deputy. They are both from the soft left. I believe Sir Keir will bring needed change without oversteering, this means that he will make the case for their bold policies to the public. If he can't explain it, he will try to have the policy left for Government. I believe he will be Prime Minister one day and if he is, will be one of the boldest in history. Sir Keir has a history of holding Governments to account, even those on his own side, having warned of the dangers of the Iraq war, and he was on the front lines in the mid to late 1980s, back when Thatcher was hurting the Working Class and Labour wasn't standing by them or when they did, took their time.


   
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@dcd2510 this is indeed a good day! 


   
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Here are the posts that got lost over the previous 24 hours. (note: I was unable to recover all of the names of the authors!)  

RE: Brexit deal by @lovedures
@elainesk
Thanks for the update!
I absolutely LOVE Scotland. I had the trip of a life time with my eldest daughter there in the spring of 2019. My Great-Great grandfather was born in Scotland too.
I hope that Scotland can have the independence it appears to long for and that is will be given the respect it deserves. It would appear the UK is a hot mess with Brexit impacts and now covid-19.
I wonder if Wales will follow the Scottish lead?

RE: Brexit deal by @stu?
@lovendures, I do not think so. Wales does have a small independent spirit, but it is nothing like Scotland or Ireland. Wales has also been 'part pf England' much longer. They're also the only ones (next to England) who voted overwhelmingly to get out of the EU. Ireland and Scotland did not want to.

Does that mean Scotland may have to split it two again? creating another Northern Ireland situation?

RE: Brexit deal by elainesk?
@stu it might be different this time as I think Johnson and his government is very unpopular in Scotland. Through the Covid crisis Nicola Sturgeon has been a great leader, she still holds her daily briefings.
RE: Brexit deal
The problem is an independent Scotland isn't a solution either. A referendum is likely to be a very close call - something like 52% vs 48%, just like Brexit, it will divide Scotland.
I had a look at the Scottish independence referendum map from the last independence vote, and most of the counties close to England voted to remain part of the union.

RE: Brexit deal
@stu, also important to note is that people voted to remain with the UK in the understanding that they'd also be a part of the EU. Many Scots that I know feel utterly screwed over by that. Johnson's handling of Brexit has only fanned the flames. It isn't 48% vs. 52% anymore. It's closer to 60% and gaining traction. It has become choosing between England/Wales and pride/EU.
Ireland is a religious situation that has been going on for centuries. They've been treated like 2nd rate civilians by the protestant English (their actions causing famine, oppression and murder), while the Irish were mostly Catholic. It cannot be compared to this. Scotland and England came together under different circumstances.

RE: Brexit deal
I think Zoron predicted Scotland going independent some time ago.

RE: Brexit deal

Ireland is a religious situation that has been going on for centuries. They've been treated like 2nd rate civilians by the protestant English (their actions causing famine, oppression and murder), while the Irish were mostly Catholic. It cannot be compared to this. Scotland and England came together under different circumstances.
not sure which poll you are looking at but the latest polls have it very evenly split.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence
At most these polls show 51% are in favour of Scottish independence.
You could say the Scottish independent vote was made with the understanding that the UK remains part of the EU, but that wasn't on the ballet paper. it's like Brexit, people have interoperated the Brexit vote to mean whatever they want. It started off being a close trading partner with access to the common market and the easiest trade deal in the world to being a hard Brexit trading on WTO rules.
We can't keep having referendums and then interpreting the results afterwards to suit different agenders, it needs to be clearly included in the question.
and we shouldn't have any more referendums until the Russian interference has been investigated and dealt with.
the UK government says that the UK voted as a whole to leave the EU, Scotland says it voted differently to the rest of the UK and therefore wants independence.
If this is true, then Scotland should recognise that if the southern and eastern counties of Scotland vote overwhelmingly to remain part of the UK then those communities should be allowed to remain part of the UK.
If Scotland believes in self determination than it should have no problems with this.

 

RE: Brexit deal
@Stu, the brexit campaign was full of lies and leaned heavily on 'let's give immigrants the boot'. Also, don't rely on Wikipedia on facts;-) They can be altered by just about anyone.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-60-scots-would-back-remain-new-scottish-independence-vote-208986
Articles on misinformation:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-brexit-referendum-lies-boris-johnson-leave-campaign-remain-a8466751.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/09/brexit-claim-boris-johnson-responding-to-barnier-threat-called-fake-news-
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18700513.brexit-opened-door-new-levels-absurdity/
etc.
Also, I am not talking about Russians or whatever, but history and politics now. The UK overextended itself with Brexit due to the hatred of a few, misinforming the rest of the country. The Elite always thought itself better than 'the mainland' and so made up a mirage of a 'wonderful new England'; they still haven't gotten over not being an empire anymore. The EU as a whole is a lot better choice to be a part of than the UK and people are waking up. The Scots know this and with Brexit coming, Northern Ireland will start to protest as well.

 

 


   
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A news article out today about how the shetland islands wants to break away from Scotland and become a crown dependancy.

https://reaction.life/shetland-islands-council-votes-to-explore-breakaway-from-snp-run-scotland/

Scotland will be broken into pieces with it's own nationalism and not having the majority of people onboard. The SNP are playing with fire and are not being honest with the people of Scotland. Selling them a blue sky dream and sunlit uplands the same way Brexit has been mis sold to the whole nation. The reality will be very much different.

 

Shetland Islands Council has voted to explore ways of achieving financial and political self-determination.

Councillors exasperated by centralisation under the devolved SNP government in Edinburgh decided on Wednesday by 18 votes to 2 to back the move. A Shetland Islands referendum is envisaged.

The democratic decision by Shetland Islands councillors adds another layer of complexity to the Scottish independence debate. It will be interesting to see how the SNP government in Edinburgh responds to a campaign for self-determination that could break up Scotland. Will Nicola Sturgeon allow the Shetland Islands a referendum? Who will set the question?

 


   
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