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05/18/2019 10:10 pm  
Posted by: Jeanne Mayell

Thanks DcD2510, I went back and yes, saw I'd seen this: The progressives will be whipped harshly by those in power but the progressives will not stand for it.  Ultimately it looks like a woman, hopefully she's a progressive, will be in charge. -- Jeanne Mayell

So who is this woman?  DcD2510, I just finished diving into the shark tank of Barr, Mueller, and Trump's thoughts today and have no more bandwidth to read another thing for a while. Have to get out and feel the beautiful day and regain my whole self.  

We are in a battle all over the globe right now.  Ultimately humanity will win. But in the short term, all I can see is a blinding storm of forces fighting for power. Praying for love and peace. Will set up another Circle of Light evening very soon. 

Well, Tanya Plibersk is considering running for ALP leadership, but she is soft left.


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05/19/2019 4:44 am  

I don't think the Australian situation is due to digital fraud. It is a genuine situation created by many layers. I don't see any changes in the short term but I do see them. Consensus is very important in Australia and that will come soon especially as the reality about climate change shows its face in a more drastic way.

I agree with what Jeanne says, it is a planetary phenomenon and we all should first try to understand our own roles in it, locally.

However, we are also planetary beings so communication with people and realities beyond our own geographic area becomes also vital. They are all subject to the same phenomena we also are. But are representatives of the varying symptoms caused by that pehnomena. Lots to learn.

 


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05/19/2019 7:08 am  
Posted by: Ernie

I don't think the Australian situation is due to digital fraud. It is a genuine situation created by many layers. I don't see any changes in the short term but I do see them. Consensus is very important in Australia and that will come soon especially as the reality about climate change shows its face in a more drastic way.

I agree with what Jeanne says, it is a planetary phenomenon and we all should first try to understand our own roles in it, locally.

However, we are also planetary beings so communication with people and realities beyond our own geographic area becomes also vital. They are all subject to the same phenomena we also are. But are representatives of the varying symptoms caused by that pehnomena. Lots to learn.

 

I think The Left needs to move to the centre-left, instead of being centrist or centre-right. Do you agree? Does anyone see this happening, or will Labor move to the right?


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05/19/2019 7:26 am  

@Baba, your words about the Australian election results resonate with me. I was thinking earlier today about how similar the media reaction is to the aftermath of the midterm election in the US. The Liberal party (who are conservatives) will form a minority government, but no one has won a clear majority yet, and this election was different to previous elections in some ways. For example, more than 4 million people voted early. This is a record. I don't know what the impact of early votes could be, but things might look slightly better in the coming weeks.

Barack Obama's words after losing the election to Bobby Rush keep popping into my head: 'it shouldn't be too easy'. I feel as though despite a long reign of neoliberal government, Australia as a whole isn't feeling enough discomfort yet to want change. I am not claiming that some people aren't suffering. They are. Inequality is rising, climate change is hurting communities, malaise in the economy is hurting working Australians and those seeking work. But it is still too easy to ignore those who fall through the gaps.

It is striking how many seats have been retained. Any changes that have occurred are subtle (with the exception of a neo-liberal former prime minister losing his seat). Even the low percentage of women in parliament is projected to be the same (around 28%)!

I feel as though the message is that change will have to start locally with actual long-term, grassroots engagement. Once that is happens on a broader scale, challengers to the Liberal party might be more successful. Perhaps even in three years time.


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05/19/2019 8:49 am  

Hi All,

I will be interested to see what the final tally is in the election. Does anyone know if they count the early voting ballots with the tallies on the day or are they counted afterwards? I asked a family member who lives there what they thought of the election and if they noticed any shady business going on and they anecdotally mentioned that the Liberals put up posters in purple and white (the colors are those used by the electoral commission) in Chinese giving instructions about how to fill out their ballots. I think it was thought to be ethically questionable but not illegal because the electoral commission doesn’t own the colors per se. 

I wonder what effect compulsory voting has on the elections in Australia vs non-compulsory voting in the US? I am guessing that overall participation is higher in Australia. The systems are not identical though and I have the impression that the preferences used in voting can sometimes skew the results a bit in Australian elections. Every system has its particularities! 

I will try to have a look at a few of the questions posed on here within the next few days - including Ged Kearney and a few others. I will let you know what I come up with. It just helps to have a bit of quiet and space to be able to think clearly. 


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05/20/2019 9:15 am  
Posted by: Baba

Hi All,

I will be interested to see what the final tally is in the election. Does anyone know if they count the early voting ballots with the tallies on the day or are they counted afterwards? I asked a family member who lives there what they thought of the election and if they noticed any shady business going on and they anecdotally mentioned that the Liberals put up posters in purple and white (the colors are those used by the electoral commission) in Chinese giving instructions about how to fill out their ballots. I think it was thought to be ethically questionable but not illegal because the electoral commission doesn’t own the colors per se. 

I wonder what effect compulsory voting has on the elections in Australia vs non-compulsory voting in the US? I am guessing that overall participation is higher in Australia. The systems are not identical though and I have the impression that the preferences used in voting can sometimes skew the results a bit in Australian elections. Every system has its particularities! 

I will try to have a look at a few of the questions posed on here within the next few days - including Ged Kearney and a few others. I will let you know what I come up with. It just helps to have a bit of quiet and space to be able to think clearly. 

Thank you. I also agree with Villager, change takes time.


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05/21/2019 12:30 am  

DcD2510, I agree with you. They won't convince anybody or win anything if they go more to the right. Another very important issue about the Labor party is the fact that they urgently need to update their communication means and strategies. They look and sound like a party from the 70s - Young people find them outdated. I saw many election campaigns around the world but have rarely seen one as reluctant as this one. They can't talk to the young people, can't find a convincing way to communicate their policies and campaign promises, couldn't stress out the reality and urgency of climate change in Australia. And did not create excitement. It is a good thing that Shorten resigned in the end. Think he should have done it long ago.

What I "see" is that they will HAVE TO move more left (green?) in the future if they want to carry the Labor Party to the 21st century. After a substantial change in the team that runs Labor. Will take time to mend the disappoinment. They don't know how to do it yet.


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05/21/2019 2:47 am  
Posted by: Ernie

DcD2510, I agree with you. They won't convince anybody or win anything if they go more to the right. Another very important issue about the Labor party is the fact that they urgently need to update their communication means and strategies. They look and sound like a party from the 70s - Young people find them outdated. I saw many election campaigns around the world but have rarely seen one as reluctant as this one. They can't talk to the young people, can't find a convincing way to communicate their policies and campaign promises, couldn't stress out the reality and urgency of climate change in Australia. And did not create excitement. It is a good thing that Shorten resigned in the end. Think he should have done it long ago.

What I "see" is that they will HAVE TO move more left (green?) in the future if they want to carry the Labor Party to the 21st century. After a substantial change in the team that runs Labor. Will take time to mend the disappoinment. They don't know how to do it yet.

If LAbor doesn't move to the left, should the left get behind other parties like The Greens? Also: https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/05/australian-labors-miliband-moment  


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05/21/2019 7:16 am  

 DcD2510, Labor can't leave center left - most of its votes are there. So everything depends on a consensus on solutions and values. It may try to harbor a wing that is more left. We'll see. What I feel is that it is going to take some time and a lot of effort but they will succeed to consolidate.


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05/21/2019 8:24 am  
Posted by: Ernie

 DcD2510, Labor can't leave center left - most of its votes are there. So everything depends on a consensus on solutions and values. It may try to harbor a wing that is more left. We'll see. What I feel is that it is going to take some time and a lot of effort but they will succeed to consolidate.

Labor is not centre-left, they are centrist at best. Jeremy Corbyn style policies are centre-left.


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05/21/2019 10:40 pm  

@Baba, my understanding is that votes cast on election day are counted first, followed immediately by early votes. Overseas  and postal votes have another 2 weeks to arrive at the Australia Election Commission for counting. There is more detail on the AEC's website

Also, there were a number of reports of concerted attempts to mislead voters, as well as breaches of electoral law. Both occurred online as well as offline.

There are also some questions about how one (some would say disgraced) billionaire campaigned. Although he didn't win a seat, there are questions about whether or not the preferences he gave to the liberal party are some sort of quid pro quo. His party ended up with no seats but 3.4% of the vote.

@Ernie, I agree with you. In recent times Labor has come across as a fence sitter while in opposition. It sided with or was silent on the worst liberal policies (offshore detention, increased surveillance of citizens, multinational tax avoidance). It was hard to discern what set of values the party had. That said it has been progressive in its proposed policies during the campaign.

I wonder if the work labor did federally between elections just wasn't enough to convince the population that change (and the uncertainty that comes with it) was worth it. In contrast, the Victorian state labor government had a highly visible, effective track record and won in a landslide late last year. 

I believe it is a shame because some of labor's policies would have gone some way towards addressing the "discord with the ancient spiritual energy of the continent" that you pointed out.


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06/02/2019 1:09 am  

@villager , agreeing that a labor government would do much better for Australia in the current circumstances, an election means that many factors come together and determine the result. So usually it's not just one of them explaining the reason behind this result. I think that Labor's communication strategies and means were really out of date and wrong. It was not the context of their rethoric, it was the way they (couldn't) communicate it . And changing the pr company won't help on its own : Labor needs new and much more contemporary leaders with much more modern skills. These probably would have to be from outside the club of buddies at the very top of the party who seem a bit old fashioned. Young people seem to be reluctant to vote in this country and this is the only way Labor can catch up with them - by understanding what "modern left" is. Long way to go.


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06/26/2019 9:03 am  

So, what do people think of Australian politics now? I personally feel sad and angry, but also hope, hope for a Genuine Centre-left Corbyn style economics here.


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08/11/2019 5:09 am  

Hi all, what are people's thoughts on The respective political parties? Also, what do you think Will happen in the next NZ Election next year?


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02/03/2020 5:37 am  

Greens leader Richard Di Natale has resigned as leader and will resign from the senate within months. He wants to spend more time with his children.


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05/27/2020 7:32 am  

Oh, I believe Baba predicted this for June here in Australia: "Leadership spill in Australia." I wonder what party that will be. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this could mean?


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05/27/2020 10:53 am  

@dcd2510  Thanks for noticing this vision.  Please post this in the Timeline Predictions Hits (first topic) section and explain what is going on in Australia that this prediction might be about. Thanks


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