The Rate at Which Seas are rising and Climate Change is progressing

Posted by: @jeanne-mayell

Now I'm getting a second surge.  So climate change is now accelerating more. I also see spirit guides coming closer to earth.

Wow interesting, do you see any areas around the U.S. that will be experiencing major effects of sea level rise?  

@practicalnihilist

Yes, my dream posted further above was about the Eastern Seaboard from New England northwards.  Measures have shown that the Eastern Seaboard from Cape Hatteras to Bangor Maine is experiencing higher than average sea level rise.  

There are other sea level rise hot spots around the globe but this is the biggie in the U.S. 

This is possibly due to a few factors -- (1) The continent works like a table. And the table is tipping downwards on the eastern seaboard because the continent is popping up on the other end (Northern Canada) where snow continues melting into the ocean, now more than ever but even before climate change the continent was sinking on the Atlantic end.   (2) The slowing of the Gulf Stream (which is part of the AMOC, Atlantic Meridien Ocean Circulation. This stream acts as a conveyer belt, carrying waters from the tropics up to Northern Canada where they plunge miles down to the ocean depths and circulate back through the ocean. Well, this conveyer belt was pulling water into it for millennia.  However now that it is slowing down due to climate change, those waters are sloughing back onto the east coast. 

@jeanne-mayell

Thanks Jeanne, I remember you posted a prediction that NYC in 2037 fish are swimming in the airport.  That sounds surreal and we can only hope by sharing your predictions that it will enable others to prepare.

And that is really interesting you had all those visions and spiritual experiences!

I don't know if this belongs here but here it is.  Over the past couple of years, I've been paying more attention to the weather patterns because of Jeanne and this forum.  I learned about the conveyor belt, but still...

I've found it intriging to see the US Midwestt going through big storm and being colder than here in Quebec.  Between Quebec city and Montreal, we are the cities with the largest temperature range than anywhere else in the world.  From +40c to -40c within a year wasn't rare.  Now, I would need to look at data but I really don't think that is the case anymore.  It feels like we are in a more "tempered" climate, almost like in the Maritime provinces.  I noticed colder temperature in the US Midwest than here.

We have a fastfood restaurant chain called Ashton.  For years, during the month of January, they would give % off depending on the temperature of the day.  We would see -20% to -30% off fairly often.  Sometimes more than that since that is supposedly the coldest month of the year.  Now the colder months are more in February/March so we miss the special.  This morning I'm happy.  It is -20c with a wind chill of -30c.  In frenheit it is -3 with a windchill of -22.  I'm happy about that, not because I love the cold, far from it. But it is more normal and chances are I will get a poutine at 20% off. 

Seriously, still -20c is not as cold as it was in my youth for the morning.  I remember times when we had so much snow that over the holidays we could start sliding down big snow banks in our backyard.  Now,  my brother has to shovel snow in a pile to have a snow slid in the backyard.  And it is not the great snow slides from my youth.  I remember a few winters in my youth when we could just walk over the roof of the house.  I remember time when we had to shovel snow bank so they would not bloc the view when getting out of the driveway.  Last year was the first tiem in years I saw this "issue"  I fear what used to "the normals" are more and more getting to be like the exceptions.  

The first 2 weeks of February we have the Winter Carnaval.  We use to have a world class ice sculpture contest located in one street in the old city.  We have a ice hotel just outside the city.  There has been a few winters in the past few years where the temperature wasn't cold enough and as a result the contest has become smaller and smaller.  During the Carnaval, we use to have ice canoeing race accross the Saint-Lawrence river, which use to freeze over. 

This weekend I sent a picture to Jeanne with a view of a sunrise over the river from my office.  There was a little fog phenomena over the river because the water was warmer than the air, The river doesn't freeze over as much now.  I don't see icebreakers in our area like we use to have.  We had a winter storm this weekend with surge warning for those living by the river! 

We use to have the Saint-Charles river where we would go skating on it for kilometers, now we can't do that anymore.  We have tomcod ice fishing, still today.  Ice shacks are installed on the river  with wood burning furnace on which we cook feasts, litterally, and  holes in the ice, and we fish in the cabins.  How long will we be able to continue this wonderul activities, only the Good Lord knows.  Anthony Bourdain did an episode on this activity.

We use to be within the arctic circle current during the winter.  That current use to remain in Canada, very seldom did it go as far down as the US.  Now, the American Midwest gets within this current but we don't as much.

Climate change changes.  Our cultures, our wildlife,  our flora, our health, our existence.

PS: don't knock out poutines!  With the Quebec cheese curds (squishy cheese usually made within 24 hours of use) good beef/hot chicken gravy and home made french fries it is an amazingly tasty heart attack on a plater meal!

@bright-opal

I love poutines. Thank you for your first hand personal experience of climate change. It is happening faster in the poles and you are closer to the Arctic Circle, so you are likely to experience more extremes.   There has been for thousands of years a vortex of cold winds, called the Polar Vortex, circling  the Arctic that kept the cold Arctic air inside the Arctic and it kept Quebec colder than Boston.  But that air current that holds in the Arctic winds has become loose, like a rubber band that has become loose and loopy.  So now it can drop down to Boston while also being north of Quebec and thus the weather in Quebec can be warmer than Boston.  

A new study from USC was released today. It is is the first to use machine learning to project migration patterns resulting from sea-level rise.

In the US alone, 13 million people could be forced to relocate due to rising sea levels by 2100. As a result, cities throughout the country will grapple with new populations. The se level will effect every county in the US.  Effects could include more competition for jobs, increased housing prices, and more pressure on infrastructure networks.

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-sea-reshape-states-trigger-migration.html

Antarctica just reached its highest temperature on record - 65 F, which threatens coastal cities and low lying countries and a fit for my long term predictions--that the Antarctic ice sheets will be collapsing and melting much faster than predicted.

To get perspective, once all ice sheets melt, seas will rise 230 feet.

Greenland has been melting faster than Artarctica.  We have a vision for mid century that "Greenland turns green."  Once Greenland melts, that's 20 feet global sea rise, but could be 40 feet or more in hot spots like the U.S. Atlantic seaboard which includes Washington D.C, NYC, Boston, and Maine. Anything over 20 feet will cause us to lose most of the coastal cities in the world and all of their history.

I have to stop now and do some serious breathing because my fury is also rising and I might post something I will regret about the Darth Vaders of this world.  

@jeanne-mayell

Let people know who they are, where they are right now .

They want to be demons . Let them be.

The bill will come . The debt will be paid .

They will wake . And the road to redemption, paved in blood and bones, will let them find whom they truly wish to be, whom they truly are . 

The demon' s horn will become a unicorn . 

You have warned them, but you cannot force them to do the right thing . 

The avalanche will crush their bodies, but saviour Jeanne you will help save their souls . 

@thebeast thank you for hearing me but I’m not a savior.  

As for the ring leaders who started and perpetrated what is now considered the sixth extinction of life on our planet, Bill McKibben, founder of 350.org details who the chief Darth Vader’s are in his latest book Falter.  I met McKibben at a Middlebury College event back in 2006. He had been writing for the New Yorker, was a teacher in residence at the college, and had written the 1989 book The End of Nature, the first book on Global Warming.  In his latest book Falter, he traces the history of global warming and documents the perpetrators who started the denial movement.  He takes us back  to the 1970s when we first discovered what fossil fuel burning was doing. 

The discovery of global warming began with Exxon who were among the very first to document in scientific detail back in the 1970’s that fossil fuel burning was causing the greenhouse effect which would warm the planet. They predicted with stunning accuracy back then what burning fossil fuels would do to us.  

Exxon had a great opportunity to become the world leaders in renewable fuels.  

But instead they chose the darkest path imaginable.  They began funding a denial campaign.  Trump Secretary of State Rex Tillerson who Trump had tapped from Exxon,  wasn’t yet at Exxon at the beginning when the denial campaign started.  But when he became CEO he was totally aware of the science and he continued funding and leading the denial campaign throughout his tenure there.  He may have called Trump "an f--king moron," but Tillerson is one of the early perpetrators of our planetary extinction. 

For thirty years, they funded pundits and politicians who demonized scientists and climate activists.  They paid politicians to deny climate change and set up conferences with spin points to do the denial.   They worked with the Koch Brother's Tea Party campaign who in turn launched the far right agenda in this country that appalls us all today. 

All of this information has been documented in lawsuits and retrieved in freedom of information suits. 

It is all fact. I suggest reading Falter if you want to get the whole story in easy-to-read detail. McKibben is a beautiful, hopeful, kindhearted man who takes the worst situation known to our civilization and never gives up hope.  

The Koch brothers also financed the denial and the crucifixion of scientists and others who tried to warn people. There were many people involved but the whole plot can be traced to a handful of players. I see them as sitting firmly encased in ice in Dante's ninth circle of Hell. 

500 years from now those who are still alive, if humanity is still around, and that’s a big if  will tell myths about what happened. I hear those myths sometimes just below consciousness.

@jeanne-mayell

So where will all the souls go, if Earth is no more?

@elaineg, interesting question for the mystics and religious theorists as well as the paleo climate scientists who are trying to figure out our planet's future.

So what happens to souls?

First of all the planet is not going to disappear.  The worse case scenario involves a sixth extinction where 75% of life on this earth dies out. Many scientists say the sixth extinction which is manmade is underway. But we also are trying to un-make it and there is hope about that. We have brought species back before and we healed the ozone layer.  We  just need to get rid of the GOP cult and get going on the healing. Even if the extinction happens, there will still be a planet and there will be species here and likely there will be some humans. But no guarantees.

There are plenty of books and articles about that subject written by science writers  who are grounded and evidenced based.  Perhaps someone can suggest some here. The Uninhabitable Planet is good, but probably too scary for many here. I know I had to skip over some parts. Bill McKibben's latest book Falter is also good and he's  more hopeful.  

Here's a short article on the current extinction that is factual and not so scary: https://theweek.com/articles/823904/sixth-mass-extinction-explained

In a vivid near death guided meditation I did, I felt I left my body and went to the edge of the earth. There  I saw souls circling the earth, flying around the earth and forming a glow of soul light.  I also wonder if some may travel back to other stars where they came from.  Sometimes I feel our community tribe comes from somewhere long ago from an ancient civilization.  I use to think we came from a distant star but I keep hearing ancient stories in my head so I wonder if our tribe is reaching out to us from the past. So when we die,  I feel we will hang out here and help those who survive get through the next thousand years.

I found this article today about rising sea levels and the impact to real-estate  in certain Florida Counties.

Very interesting. Here are some highlights from the Tampa Bay Times.

Using a combination of climate change projections, elevation mapping, tidal gauge readings and property data, a new report concludes what many in the Tampa Bay region likely already suspected: that properties in this area are at growing risk of losing value because of sea level rise.

The case study report, done by consulting firm McKinsey, points to Pinellas, Citrus and Manatee counties as three of the nine Florida counties facing the greatest threat of property devaluation because of sea level rise by 2050. That’s because flooding, especially when it’s a frequent event rather than the byproduct of hurricanes, makes properties less attractive to buyers.

The other six counties were St. Johns, Lee, Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade and Monroe.

Year 2050 may sound far away, but it’s also the endpoint for 30-year mortgages that are being initiated now. Which is why it’s important for homeowners to be armed with as much information about their properties’ flood risk as possible, experts say.

Currently, maps created by the Federal Emergency Management Agency are the standard tool for determining flood risk, but those don’t include sea level rise. First Street’s data will allow anyone to search an address and see the flood risk, plus will account for future adjustments due to climate change, the group said.

Unlike some other states, such as Texas, Florida law does not require that sellers disclose a property’s flood history when it’s purchased.

@lovendures. Tampa, Clearwater, St Pete and that whole area is a big part of my childhood so this inevitable outcome is especially heartbreaking for me.   I have felt this coming for ten years, no surprise, it is science. I published two posts on this site back in 2014 about it. '

But there was so much denial around it for so long that it was easy to not think about it. Governor Rick Scott forbid any state employees from using the words, global warming or climate change or sea level rise when he was governor, so he could keep the charade going and please his Republican oil sponsors.  

I posted a vision of South Florida at the end of the 21st century as a watery graveyard and playground for boating and diving enthusiasts. Divers will be exploring the ruins of home and shopping centers that will be underwater.

It is tragic, heartbreaking, and was totally avoidable. The Koch Brothers and the other oligarchs, including Putin, the world's richest human,  should be stripped of all of their wealth and property and that money given to compensate those whose lives will be ruined by this. But since all of the world's coastal cities will also be lost  - including NYC, Shanghai, too many to name, then all of the oligarchs' money will not be able to cover even a pittance of the loss. 

@jeanne-mayell

I knew this would be of interest to you, I have read your visions and thoughts on the subject of Florida.  What I find interesting is that  Florida does not require sellers to disclose flooding history.  I wonder when that will change. Also interesting about the 30 mortgages being finished when things really will "underwater". Boston will be a very different city for sure.  I wonder when we will stop saying the floods are unusual and they simply become normal? And the how long until things are always underwater. 

@lovendures Thanks for posting.  I've been reading the sea level maps for Boston and Florida shorelines for many years. These maps show sea level by street, so prospective buyers can figure out how low a property is and where the floods are going to hit first.  

Humans have a hard time thinking long-term, but mortgage lenders, property insurers and underwriters have known what is coming for decades. Even while their lobbyists have supported the climate-denying GOP, the companies know climate change is coming and they will not be insuring or providing mortgages for properties they know will be inundated by the sea. 

It is not just residences and commercial buildings that are at risk.  At some point, local governments will give up repairing their infrastructures -- bridges and roads-- that have been washed out by storms.  You can't keep spending millions when you know that there will be a another storm in a few years.  Bill McKibben wrote about this problem back in his seminal 2010 book Eaarth.  The solution is not to invest near the coastlines,  and along mountains and riverbanks. Countries like the U.S. that are ruled by GOP oligarchs will become like third world countries in that their infrastructures in vulnerable areas will crumble. 

If I were thinking of the best place to live, I'd head to rolling farmland near the Great Lakes on the Canada side. 

Hi. This is my first time posting here. I have had several dreams over the past 3 years that feel interconnected. On 9/2/17 I dreamt of Quicksilver (mercury) and how it was destroying the oceans. A man said, "it is devouring us." Everyone was trying to find out why it was killing people. Flash forward to August 2019, I dreamt that God was upset that there was so much hate in the world. His hair was flaky; not lustrous and smooth. His hair was getting brittle and losing its shine. He feels like giving up to teach a lesson. I begged him no- in the age of Trumpism we will destroy ourselves."

In May 2020, I dreamt that someone ate raw fish and it made their spine from the bottom curve up and to the side and grew a tail. I wonder if it was related to Covid-19?

I can't help but think that there is something severely wrong with our oceans and fish and that this, coupled with the increased hate, will wreak havoc on the stability of the planet and humanity. I am also sensing that souls are leaving Earth to travel to another planet. 

@han7911

The late author Ray Bradbury produced a notable body of work and was a sci-fi visionary whose writings bordered 'non-fiction'...

' The Martian Chronicles ', a poignant look at a futuristic world, is multi-layered and rather prophetic. This novel was made into a series for TV in 1980, and though it's simplisticly produced by today's standards it is still iconic.

I do see that what you are sensing in regard to souls leaving Earth to travel to other planets is right! We have the capability of traveling in our soul bodies to other dimensions on other planets, and it isn't fiction.

For many, many centuries this has been held as esoteric knowledge by the ancients who practiced soul travel, and is disguised in the texts of many religions. In the last century this practice has been gradually revealed as more souls are being brought to ascension than ever before. 

As fantastical as it seems .... "....stranger things in Heaven and Earth.... "

@bomoh. Thank you for weighing in.  We know that climate change is accelerating but no one has seen a one time global tsunami ever happening.  Our predictions do not describe it. They can be made to fit your theory, but I don't see it.

 There is just one prediction that might fit your theory but it could just as easily be about some serious flooding in the U.S. from a bad hurricane season.   The other predictions you cite do not match a one-time tsunami that swamps all coastlines all over the world. 

Much of the sudden climate change ice core data I've seen doesn't show seas rising in a day or week but in hundreds and even thousands of years. Sudden or abrupt climate change in geological time is measured in hundreds and thousands of years instead of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. Here's what wiki says for Abrupt Climate change: 

Timescales of events described as 'abrupt' may vary dramatically. Changes recorded in the climate of Greenland at the end of the Younger Dryas, as measured by ice-cores, imply a sudden warming of +10 °C (+18 °F) within a timescale of a few years.^[6] Other abrupt changes are the +4 °C (+7.2 °F) on Greenland 11,270 years ago^[7] or the abrupt +6 °C (11 °F) warming 22,000 years ago on Antarctica.^[8] By contrast, the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum may have initiated anywhere between a few decades and several thousand years. Finally, Earth Systems models project that under ongoing greenhouse gasemissions as early as 2047, the Earth's near surface temperature could depart from the range of variability in the last 150 years, affecting over 3 billion people and most places of great species diversity on Earth.

The event I have been most concerned about is a massive methane gas release from the Arctic circle.  That could accelerate the heat.  Not in a day, but over a few years perhaps. 

Hi @han7911.  I actually think these dreams may be messages for you or for someone close to you personally.  Mercury poisoning is something to be concerned about with ingestion of large amounts of certain types of seafood, like tuna and salmon.  (This is not really pollution related, the mercury is naturally occurring and just becomes concentrated in large fish that are on the top of the food chain)

Since the two common threads in your dreams are health issues (dry flaky hair and bone problems) and the ocean/fish, I'm thinking that maybe you ought to do some research on heavy metal toxicity (specifically mercury poisoning) or talk to you doctor about it...

I am reading Your Nostradamus Factor right now -- in fact, I will crosspost this in the other thread about books, as I think many will find it a fascinating read.

Anyway, the author (Ingo Swann), argues that everyone can see the future, and many of us often do. He divides this ability -- what he calls the "Nostradamus Factor" -- into four categories.

The third category involves communal visions. He points to several big events that were foreseen by MANY in the community. Such events include the sinking of the Titanic, the assassination of JFK, and the tragedy at Aberfan. 

Such events were foreseen in the months leading up to the event but increased in occurrence immediately leading up to it. In many cases, the warning was dismissed or ignored. (There are a few reports of people who, at the last minute, canceled their voyage on the Titanic, for example.)

My point is we should be paying very close attention to our predictions as well as the predictions of others we know, many of whom may not consider themselves to be "psychic." Who is dreaming of drowning? Of great floods? Of tsunami?

Something to consider, at any rate.