[Closed] The Magnetic North Pole is on the Move

I've been reading these articles and it poses so many potential problems with just our animal kingdom alone.

We are already seeing so many changes in insect behavior, migratory issues, etc.

Between true north, magnetic north and geo-magnetic north, my own highly senstive bio-magnetic energies have me spinning, so I can only imagine theirs!

Even if it takes eons, its already shifting/changing in measurable, notable ways that need constant updating.

Moving science down our government's priority list and eliminating so many people of science all along the way, seems deliberately determined to create problems of simply updating systems for human navigation alone not to mention all others including tracking the changes we know must be happening in other life forms!

That is  an excellent question Starpath.  I also read an article about this in the past few days.  I found it interesting how the Government shutdown put us behind the ball on updating coordinates, especially for airplanes.  It could have caused chaos.

Yes, there was some discussion in the articles about how the government shutdown delayed updates for navigation systems, which really just underscores the need to set up decentralized, regional problem-solving task forces as politics as we've known it proves increasingly brittle in the face of our converging crises. 

I'm wondering though whether we should be worrying about a cataclysmic pole reversal that could occur in a single human lifetime; I've read some accounts of prophetic near-death experiences that have mentioned a rapid magnetic reversal that would wreak havoc for human society. I'm somewhat new to ideas regarding connections between the human collective and Earth systems, but it seems to me that this scenario may only come about if there is extreme chaos in the human collective (in a similar strain, I've come across some spiritual mediums online who have said that the Yellowstone super-volcano will only erupt in the next century if the human realm gets particularly turbulent).

Personally, I'm much more concerned about the known disruptions of global warming that are already occurring and are on track to accelerate in the near future.

Coyote, recently I have been so wrapped up with EV technology advancements I haven't kept up with everything else going on. Thanks for your posts on this subject. I just looked up articles about the movement of the north magnetic pole and it's possible effects on the planet. Since my wife and I live in the Pacific Northwest we are sitting on top of a major fault line that is overdue for a major quake. The last big quake in our area occurred in 1700 and was around 9.0 or 9.1. We live equidistant from Mt. Rainier and Mt. Baker on the "Ring of Fire". I wonder if the recent rapid movement of the pole could trigger a massive quake people in our have been worried about. Could just the movement of the pole, even without a flipping of the poles cause that kind of a quake?

Hi NWDoug. From what I've read, changes in Earth' magnetic polarity occur as a result of shifting thermal currents of magma in the planet's mantle. Those thermal currents also drive the movement of tectonic plates, so a rapid reversal of Earth's north and south poles could also be linked to (but not caused by) chaotic tectonic shifts. I really can't speak very authoritatively on the nuances of this subject, though. 

You might be interested in skimming through this page from Kevin Williams's near-death.com, which provides a summary of and links to various prophetic NDE's people have had. A number of them speak of major tectonic changes and magnetic pole shifts in one breath. Regarding your living situation, I remember one commenter on this website a few years ago (before there was a forum) who lived in Seattle and posted about the Cascadia fault zone. She wrote that her spirit guide told her she should move away from the area soon because there would be trouble down the road...

Thanks Coyote, I appreciate your response to my post. I read the page you suggested, "NDE prophecies of a shift in the earth's magnetic poles" and it was very informative. We have an apartment in NYC and have property on an island on the Olympic Peninsula. We spend  4 months each year in Roswell, NM taking care of my wife's 89 year-old mother. We are constantly traveling and are in jeopardy all the places I just mentioned. We could be flooded in NYC, devastated by earthquakes in the Pacific Northwest, or die of thirst or abducted by celestial aliens in Roswell. My brother lives just south of Kansas City, KS and has had numerous near misses by deadly tornadoes. My son was living on Topanga Canyon Blvd. near Malibu, CA. My wife and I went to the beach while we were visiting him and the temperature reached 115 degrees. The recent wildfires were threatening his neighborhood, but now he lives in Portland, OR.

Where is the safest place to live? I would have to say, probably someplace I wouldn't want to live. I am nearing 74 years-old, nearly died from from a vegetative heart valve caused by a black widow spider bite. I was in Saigon during the "Test Offensive" in 1968 while the city was under attack by rocket fire. I believe everyone's best bet is to give it to Spirit. We are all on this planet by grace. I've survived so far and not by my own efforts. All I can say is, good luck to everyone and all living creatures. If the Earth and its inhabitants are meant to survive the coming events, they will. I'll keep meditating and saying my mantra.

Thank you for this sharing, NWDoug,

You've pretty much said it all. I came to the same conclusion. It is what it is. 

We can't outrun any of it no matter where we live, but just be our best selves and do and share and care about each other and our world.

And I can tell that you truly, truly do.

Michele and NWDoug, you are both spot on. Prophecies are never set in stone, and we can avert catastrophic prophecies by being mindful and living with kindness in each of our small lives; a sudden magnetic reversal may only be the worst case scenario along a spectrum of possible outcomes. There will be periods of profound suffering in many of our lifetimes, but I sense that more and more seeds of hope and renewal are germinating every day.

Posted by: Michele

Thank you for this sharing, NWDoug,

You've pretty much said it all. I came to the same conclusion. It is what it is. 

We can't outrun any of it no matter where we live, but just be our best selves and do and share and care about each other and our world.

And I can tell that you truly, truly do.

 

Michele, thanks for your kind words. This is my attempt at humor; "It is what it is", but as I've heard it before, "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is.

Coyote, Buddhism is the faith I feel most aligned with but believe  other faiths as being just as valid. My beliefs include; I am the master of my own destiny, my perception creates my reality, and if I wish to change my reality I need to change my perception. I also believe we are all connected to each other and are on Earth to help and love one another. I see us all as living in a sea of consciousness and are all on our own path to becoming aware. 

As for the time we now find ourselves living, those having the ability to do so, through love and compassion, can help others with their struggles. If that happens it will make the world a much better place.

NWDoug, hahahahaa.  Love it!

And I reply:

"IS" it whatever we think it "IS" ?

The corollary therefore being or perhaps "is it the alternate Koan of It is or Is it?

Or, are you and I now co-creating an entirely new conundrum? 

Note, repeatedly edited because all theat drifting magnetic north(s) business had me spatially displaced.

Hello all - I just wanted to weigh in to say, no worries!  There have been multiple magnetic pole flips in the past without mass extinctions, continental shifts, or overall destruction of any kind. 

Here are a couple of reasons why....

The magnetic pole flips take 2,000 to 10,000 years to complete. Flips begin with slow weakening of the field overall, along with slow creep away from rotational center. By the way, we know of many more instances of weakening and location creep that did NOT result in magnetic flip, than of those that did result in a flip. So we can’t say for sure that our current conditions will result in an actual flip, and it’s much more likely this is a common variational shift that will settle into a new “normal.”

Even if we do see a magnetic flip, it has never resulted in tectonic plate shifts (massive earthquakes, land masses falling into sea, new mountains overnight, and so on). This is because the difference in timescale between plate tectonics and iron core magnetics is just too great.

Magnetic shifts occur when large patches on the surface of earth’s iron core shift polarity and come into entrainment. The patches grow larger and coalesce. Some think iron ions shift polarity when the molten core has a series of tornado-like storms. That’s only a theory, though, because no one really knows why.

We know it’s a thing, however. For example, the South Sea Anomaly (SSA) has been coalescing over the last two decades and has become quite large as a result. Simultaneously we see shifts in magnetic pole location and a weakening of the field (as noted, this is fairly common).

The only danger to life on earth has to do with a weakened field that doesn’t protect the planetary surface from radiation as well as before. But the atmosphere is plenty strong to protect general life, for sure, even with a weakened field. We might be more likely to get skin cancer and such, or some sensitive plants may be affected, but that’s it. Our communication systems, on the other hand, are another story...ha!

Here’s something to think about though — everything on earth is couched in the magnetic field, and in fact has its own personal field (from rocks to humans). We don’t know what this means yet, let alone its effects.

That’s about it. Hope this helps!

Thanks Doc!

What a great in-depth explanation! By the way it's really nice to have you pop in and share!

You've always been a ray of light for us and right now with our world as it is, we certainly can benefit from your gifts!

Thank you Dot. Here’s my one nagging thought.  (And first I want to say that what you wrote is more clear, succinct and comforting than anything I’ve read on this topic.). 

My nagging thought:  We are experiencing exponential shifts right now due to greenhouse gasses that are unparalleled in speed to anything that’s happened  before on this planet other than the planet being hit by a meteor or a massive volcanic explosion.  

So when scientists say polar shifts always take thousands of years I can’t help but wonder if this time might be different because  of the fantastic speed at which most other natural systems are evolving right now.  

To answer my own concern I tell myself that what’s happening inside the earth is not affected by the outside and crust.  

But scientists suspect that the global disruption of climate change is affecting the inside of the earth,  not just the outside.  

They suspect that there will be increased seismic activity due to the weight of expanding oceans  and other invasive activity like fracking.  One study hypothesized that the Haiti earthquake for example was brought about by flood -related mudslides that created pressure on tectonic plates.  So the warming brought on by the greenhouse gas blanket surrounding the earth is putting huge pressure onto  the crust which in turn may cause molten rock below the surface to move around as it responds to massive outside pressure. 

I read in a few articles by reliable media that the magnetic shifts are happening faster than expected or explainable.  None of the authors seemed concerned, just perplexed, which is comforting.

(Sorry I don’t have a link at the moment) but perhaps you could comment on whether we are in a new scenario here in which a polar reversal could happen more quickly and if so what that would be like.  

I pray that my question won’t cause panic among the nervous. In my gut this issue doesn’t keep me up at night.   Still I feel the speed of planetary change that we’ve caused and the speed of the magnetic shifts deserves more discussion.   

Hi Michelle & Jeanne,

Thanks so much for your kind words! Well, I’m an engineer who re-treaded into the social sciences, so please take what I say with a grain of salt!  Yet I have a pretty good b.s. detector paired with pattern recognition skills, and so I follow this stuff out of interest, curiosity, and mostly because I’m a card-carrying member of nerd nation. :-)

I start outward and work inward like an onion or a nested doll.  Outwardly, I start at the level of our galaxy to see where astronomers say we’re located within the milky way. But I’m not going to list all the known stuff in any of the layers, only the things that seem to be the focus of scientists and where there’s consensus about what’s happening relative to climate change (as best I can tell – I’m NOT an expert in all these layers for sure).

We’re in the outer arm of the milky way (which is estimated to be 13-14 billion years old), and our solar system rotates around the center.  We’re usually not lined up in a straight line to the center (think of a record spinning in a flat space).  As best we can tell, we’re entering direct, flat alignment with the center of the milky way galaxy.  Think of the massive electromagnetic (and gravity) forces we’ve been dealing with as we gradually enter this direct line, yet they’re invisible to us. We don’t feel anything. But this alignment is pulling on the sun and all the planets. In fact, there’s good evidence that the sun has gone quiet lately due to this silent invisible pull (note that more sun activity equals a hotter earth).

In addition, we’ve just come out of some sort of “cosmic cloud” in our travels around the center of the milky way galaxy. The consensus seems to be that our solar system is now being bombarded with radiation particles never before seen or measured, and the estimate is our planet has never experienced this before (let alone humans – think of the massive timescale here – earth is estimated to be only about 4-5 billion years old in comparison to the milky way at 13-14 billion years, which means the planets or even the sun were probably not in existence to even be in this area of the galaxy before).  Again, our sun is reacting.  As best anyone can tell, the sun is showing a coherence it never has since we’ve been able to measure this stuff. 

So gravitational changes due to alignment with the center, changes in radiation type and “dose,” as well as increased sun coherence and less overall energetic activity, tells us we just don’t know what the heck is going on or why, but that it points to a cooling earth not a hotter one.

Also, these changes are directly affecting EVERY planet in the solar system. For example, the large gas planets are looking more egg-shaped at the equator in a very noticeable way (to scientists). The more solid planets (earth included) are showing this too but in a relatively milder way.  But the big thing for earth is that the sun is now transmitting new things to us. And I literally mean transmitting.

Because we have an atmosphere coupled with an electromagnetic field, energy from the sun is directed to our planet via electrical conductanceand literally lights up the whole earth, right down to the molten iron core. Fun fact -- we’ve been converting the sun’s electronical conductance into radio waves and listening to the “songs” since right after Tesla.

This is different from the other planets -- because, you know, no atmosphere and extremely weak fields in comparison. Instead, they mostly just get huge radiation doses without a lot of electrical conductance.  We proved this from trips to the moon, Mars rover, etc.

So what does this all mean? Well, I have to explain the next layer first.  All this stuff is historical, by the way. I should note that the info above has only been known in any detail for less than one hundred years.  Same with what I’m going to talk about next. 

We’re talking massive timescales we have trouble putting our heads around.  But with deep-drill ice sampling, ocean floor sampling, and continental sampling, we’ve been able to piece together a loose history of what’s happened to our planet.  And of course this history changes over time with advances in measurement.

From the samples listed above, best we know is that isotopes and carbon dating show we’ve been through multiple surface upheavals in the relatively recent the past. They’re known as ice ages.

When we hypothesize the continents were all one piece prior to breaking up, we can’t go back that far from the core samples, and have to come up with other ways to support that theory  (geological matching across continental shelves, fossil records, and so on).  So that’s NOT based on core samples – first of all because we still can’t get down as far as we want, and even when we do get down pretty far, the samples are often degraded due to high pressure, age, and so on.   

Anyway, same with exact timing of mass extinction events (think: dinosaurs).  What we do know is that from the geological carbon-dating samples that go back far enough to match archeological fossil carbon-dating (mammals, plants, etc.), these types of extinction events are extremely rare considering the massive timescale.

We’ve had either 4 or 5 major extinction events since the Cambrian explosion of life on earth 550 million years ago (depending on who you talk to). Here they are in terms of approximately how long ago they happened (all in millions of years): 450, 350, 250 (the so-called “big one” allowing dinosaurs to eventually take over), 210, and 65.  Note - some put 250 and 210 together because of overlap in error estimates, and 65 is when dinosaurs went extinct and marks the beginning of our own era.

When it comes to climate change, our known timescale is much, much shorter. Just last year, scientists were able to date an ice core back to a “whopping” 2.7 million years ago – ha! Look at the difference in timescales – 65 million for rock/fossil dating for our “modern era” versus 2.7 million years ago for ice cores. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/record-shattering-27-million-year-old-ice-core-reveals-start-ice-ages

Then, in addition, when these relatively veryshort timeframe ice/sea bed/earth core data sets are compared to one another (say, the Vistok Ice Core dataset with that found in the international Integrated Ocean Drilling Program dataset), you see even more troubling de-coupling.  So, we have fossil records, geological records, ice/sea bed/earth core records, and from this we’re trying to piece together the planetary conditions that result in mass extinction events due to climate change. You can imagine this is highly problematic!

Remember we’ve got the effects of both our place in the galaxy and our rotational plane on our solar system (especially the sun), then we have our scientific historical records that really don’t go back very far in terms of climate data but DO in terms of carbon-dating of rock/fossils, and we have to discern a general pattern but we can’t time it all out very well.

Here’s what we can say. We know that the span between major ice ages moved from a relatively quick 40,000 years to a longer 100,000 years (this happened about 600,00 to 1.5 million years ago) because of a small yet significant change in the earth’s orbit around the sun (!). No one knows why our orbit changed, and there is no known asteroid hit or other major impact event that could’ve knocked us off the earlier trajectory.  But change it did, and ice ages are now longer in-between. But I caution us all – we’re working with embarrassingly incomplete data (example: 1.2 billion years of missing rock in the Grand Canyon).

Here we then turn to the best info we have about ice ages, because this is the thing we’re seeing the most right now – climate change, newsfeeds about water levels, melting poles, glacier calving, superstorms, and the like.  Here I quote from the Weather Channel: https://weather.com/news/climate/news/ice-age-climate-change-earth-glacial-interglacial-period

Throughout our planet’s 4.5 billion years, there have been five big ice ages, some of which lasted hundreds of millions of years. Researchers are still trying to understand how often these periods happen and how soon we can expect another one.

"We should be heading into another ice age right now," Columbia University paleoclimate doctoral student Michael Sandstrom told Live Science.

The big ice ages account for roughly 25 percent of the past billions of years on Earth, says Sandstrom. The most recent of Earth’s five major ice ages in the paleo record dates back 2.7 million years and continues today.

Within these large periods are smaller ice ages called glacials and warm periods called interglacials.

Serbian astronomer Milutin Milankovitch hypothesized that as the Earth circles the sun, there are three factors that affect the sunlight it receives. Its tilt, the changing shape of its orbit around the sun, which can vary from near-circle to oval-like, and its wobble as it spins on its axis.

"Milankovitch's theory is that the orbital cycles have been predictable and very consistent throughout time," said Sandstrom. "If you are in an ice age, then you'll have more or less ice depending on these orbital cycles. But if the Earth is too warm, they basically won't do anything, at least in terms of growing ice."

Carbon dioxide has greatly contributed to the planet’s increasing warmth. Over the past 800,000 years, its levels have fluctuated between roughly 170 parts per million and 280 ppm, meaning 280 molecules out of 1 million air particles consist of carbon dioxide, according to Live Science [Note: taken only from ice samples].

Last year, the planet’s carbon dioxide levels permanently surpassed the 400 ppm threshold and are now expected to breach 410 ppm on a daily basis, according to a previous report.

“The scary thing is how much carbon dioxide we’ve put in the atmosphere in such a short time,” said Sandstrom.  It’s not fully understood what causes long ice ages, but researchers believe they’re caused by a massive decline in carbon dioxide levels that can lower temperatures. [End quote]

So we’re currently in a warming period (interglacial) and it looks as if the high levels of Co2 we’re pumping into the atmosphere are keeping us from going into a “scheduled” mini-ice age (a glacial). However, this is at the risk of speeding us towards the global warming tipping point that paradoxically occurs before a glacial, at least according to isotopic ice core records.  Huh?

This only makes sense if we understand that temperatures steadily rise just before a major drop in global temperatures according to the ice core isotope record.  However, the timing of ice core peaks and valleys compared to sea bed core isotopes show that the sea bed lags behind by quite a large amount, as does actual Co2 records (in other words, sea bed and Co2 match while ice does not, and are off by anywhere between 1,500 and 5,000 years!).  This is one of the bases of the ocean as Co2 sink. Also, our current 400ppm Co2 is way higher than ice records, but not sea bed historical data. Hmmm.

The best anyone can say is we’re in the middle of a sawtooth pattern between major ice ages. What the heck does this mean?  It means that, between the major glacial periods, we will see ups and downs that are much smaller than the bigger peaks and valleys. 

Think of the mini-ice age that occurred in the 1600s as an example.  From narrative human records, there was historic warming prior to the onset of widespread freezing, with all that entails.  Human narratives report rivers overflowing their banks, historic storms on the open sea and over land, strange changes to sea levels on coasts worldwide (unpredictable ups and downs), and changes in star-based as well as magnetic navigation (to name just a few).  In other words, everything on the planet is connected – local weather patterns, sea levels, our location relative to celestial anchors (orbit, etc.), magnetic field, and on and on and on. Interestingly, there wasn’t a huge uptick in reports of volcanic activity during this time period, nor reports of increased earthquake activity.  So if history is any indication (both scientific and narrative)….

But wait, there’s more! Here’s the thing.  If we go back out to the changes in where we are in the galaxy (coming out of a local cosmic cloud while aligning with the galactic center at the same time) that’s causing noticeable changes in the sun, if anything we’re at a higher risk of actually having a pretty severe mini-ice age. This is because the sun is relatively dormant, not to mention strangely coherent.

I hope this makes sense. I suppose I’ve written this long thing for two reasons – one to put it all in one place for myself and others, and the other to say we just don’t know, darn it!  If someone tells you they know, please don’t believe it.

Instead, we’re traveling along in our little car called earth.  While it may be transforming around us, there’s no other car to be had. This is it.  It’s how we respond to the changes as human beings that counts.

And panicking isn’t helpful, I think. Instead, looking at the changes as they happen and responding in a way that best helps the environment and each other is the way to go.  While we don’t have good enough proof for any conscientious scientist who looks across specialties that we’re heading off a cliff, we should prepare as if we are.  Because what if?  But that still doesn’t mean panic, or yelling at each other over this. We just don’t have enough information, and that’s ok.

I take comfort in that -- that, and the fact we’re talking about timescales that are darn near too big to even understand.  We humans have time because planetary changes are very slow from our lifespan perspective. I repeat, there is time.  We’re going to be ok.  We ARE ok.

WOW!  What a fantastic post Doc.  Thank you so much.  There is a lot her to think about (and try to understand).

Doc,

Thank you for taking the time to go into all of these layers upon layers. I felt like I was zooming through our solar system while also going through our planetary layers throughout time all at once.

Not sure all if all of my engines were firing at once but it was a great ride and best of all gave me a historic perspective that bolstered my optimism. 

What I felt deep inside was that everything--our mothership, Mother Earth --on to all the pinballs around us-- was somehow part of a much bigger "pinball planeting" design of balance and counter-balance within and around all of the inter-magnetic fields of almost corrections and self-corrections.

That feeling was felt as "ahhh" and "ahhh-mazing " and best of all  part of we're going to be o.k. and we ARE o.k."

Thank you  ?

Yes, thank you Doc for writing this down so that we can all come back here for future reference; I remember you mentioning in a past comment that we are currently moving out of a local cosmic cloud, and I was wondering what that meant.

Your description of all these astrophysical forces along with your mention of Tesla made me think of the "free energy technology" Nikola Tesla supposedly developed. Free energy is a popular talking point among utopian and new age types (whose conversations do occasionally veer into b.s. territory), but perhaps Tesla really did discern how the universe's entangled energetic fields could be harnessed. If we don't know enough to forecast doomsday, then it also follows that we don't know enough to write off quantum leaps in human evolution.

Doc, incredible post!  Now, my one thought: You write of a coming ice age and people are going to think it will counter the warming that's going on. Did you mean it that way?  

As I read your post, I still see in my mind's eye the graphs of greenhouse gas spikes here on earth - going off the charts in a way that no amount of natural ice age could counter in the life span of our civilization. In other words, we are warming at such a rapid rate that even with an ice age coming, we would be fried before an ice age could save us unless we do something about our emissions. 

As anyone can see in the graphs of greenhouse gases which have been shown to correlate with warming,  we are creating a rapid spike, a sudden flare up to extremes, in the midst of a more natural and therefore gradual cooling.  

I am trying to upload a graph here of paleo data from 800,000 years ago to today which shows an incredible spike in the last 100 years  but haven't found a way to load it onto this page.

 The chart shows cycles of ups and downs that look like normal sized waves on an ocean over the past 800,000 years.  Then suddenly around 200 years ago, the greenhouse gases spike straight up and off the page.   It's as if someone (i.e. humans) lit a torch in geologic time, and that flare-up could be enough to fry complex life forms on earth, even as the earth is cooling over a much longer timeframe. 

I'm not saying we won't be able to save ourselves. I believe we will kick in and avoid the worst.  But it doesn't appear that a naturally occurring  ice age will save us. Our extreme situation is human-made and will have to be human-solved. It's true that the oceans and Mother Earth have softened the impact mainly by her oceans absorbing so much of the gases, and hopefully the bacteria will also prevent a methane bomb from going off when the arctic melts.  I'm trying to absorb your amazing post and the many nuances that science has discovered in this unfolding drama.  

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Wow Doc, that was amazing! Thank you for sharing that.