[Closed] I just felt the Earth shaking
You spoke of a government takeover where people are hiding in their houses and not helping those outside. I got a message last night while gazing at the night sky and then had a dream this morning. It is about hiding from our psyches all of the hurt our collective is causing. I don’t think we are going to end this darkness until we really see it all. Here is what happened last night that makes me say that.
The last three nights the planet Jupiter has loomed large in the sky right next to the moon. It was the biggest and brightest light in the sky next to the moon. Right before the 2016 election I got a message that we would live through the Greek story of the rape of Persephone. That we would enter a dark period with a man in charge who represents the dark underworld god himself—Hades or Pluto. He would kidnap and rape the innocent Persephone and he would not return her to us until our own suffering got so bad that the crops failed and the people begged Jupiter or Zeus (same guy) to do something. The king then ordered Hades to bring her back. That is the gist of the story. Keep In mind that The innocent springtime goddess Persephone symbolizes all that is innocent. As a culture Americans have been naive about themselves. Our “perception” as a culture (root is same as Persephone) has been that life is pretty damn good and easy. But we have not understood the suffering we’ve caused to get such a rich rosy life. (I know many will disagree with me about this but not enough time to lay it all out.)
Anyway last night I looked up at King Jupiter in the sky and begged him to save us from this darkness. I felt a whispered message that we still weren’t awake enough yet. That not enough of us understood the depth of suffering our collective has caused. We feel our own suffering and we are more aware than before of the suffering of others, but we don’t totally see the darkness within us that needs to become light.
You see Pluto or Hades the god of the underworld is also the god of the unconscious. We have to shine the light inside ourselves not just outside.
Then I had a dream early this morning. I will post the dream perhaps in the dream section later but for now just want to say that it’s the second dream I’ve had this year about the suffering I cause when i eat animal food. It’s just one example of the darkness inside but it’s the one that has shown up twice now in my dreams.
I’m not a vegan. I eat dairy chicken and fish. I’ve know for a long time that getting these foods causes horrific suffering. just don’t know how yet to get along without these foods. Before all the vegans start sending recipes, I can’t digest a lot of foods like beans so it will be challenging but probably doable if I put some effort into it.
The dream wasn’t just about food though. It was about anything I do to help or protect myself that causes unnecessary suffering in others.
This also includes hiding in my home while others are being harmed.
Mostly it was about finally taking an honest look at how I live that causes suffering.
I don’t for example actually cut off the heads of chickens or haul fish out of the sea and kill them. I pay someone else to do it. But we are still ordering those kills every time we buy those foods. I also don’t crowd goats and cos into dark barns and force them to give me their milk. I pay someone else to destroy the joy they were suppose to have in this world so I could enjoy milk and cheese.
Food is just one part of this issue. I don’t think veganism will solve trumpism. But apparently it is up for me. Then there are the clothes I wear and the other products I buy and the hiding in my home.
I can relate so deeply to the animal pain you feel Jeanne. We have chickens and last week, one of my darlings got sick and we had to end her life. My husband and I must have sat there for 2 hours trying to find any other way to fix the situation. We were both physically ill at the thought of killing something. Eventually, we knew she was suffering and my husband (bless his heart) ended her life. Immediately, I was sick to my stomach. More so due to the fact that I can easily eat a chicken breast when it's cleaned off and nicely wrapped up in a package. Not thinking about the cruelty that this bird endured for my pleasure. But when it comes to the act of ending one first hand...it becomes VERY real.
Oddly enough, despite my hippie ways and liberal heart - one of my dearest friends is a horse riding, gun shooting, red white and blue, cow rancher. (Hey, balance is good) One night when we were sitting on her porch talking about life and all of its weird twists and turns, we got on the subject of farming and ending a cows life. She said something very powerful that I still think about today.
"There's a peace between you and an animal you have raised for slaughter when its small scale. I raised that cow. I nurtured her. I knew she lived an absolutely wonderful and when she was killed, the act was painless and fast. This cow lives and dies to feed others and it's a great honor to have her give the gift of life for my families needs."
Native Americans live this way too. Everything on this earth is sacred. Everything has a purpose. The sacrifice of their life to continue yours is a spiritual and humbling process that isnt taken lightly. That's why Native Americans use every bit of the animals resources.
What I find most rattling, is that not too long ago - we still farmed this way. With respect.
As a mommy with growing kids, it has been very difficult to transition to veganism. So I do what I can to respect the earth. I grow everything I can. I raise my own chickens. I buy beef from my girlfriend mentioned above. I try so hard to make sure I'm making an effort to respect my earth and all the lives on it.
As for clothes...and literally everything else we surround ourselves with....Im right there with you Jeanne. It can almost feel overwhelming just thinking about the kind of devastation we create just by...well...living.
Oddly enough, your dream rings true in this sense. Hades was greedy too. I know for me, there are changes I could make that I just choose NOT to make because of greed. That new patio were building with the teak floors comes to mind. :-/
Also, are you feeling the Hades/Trump connection like I am?
Welcome back, Perriwinkle10. I was so pleased to see your post last night and it touched my heart that you are back among us. I am sending you much love. You have a unique voice and an intuitive presence that we need.
There’s a reason we are together. We need to be a light within our own communities, within the like-minded online community of Jeanne’s site and within the greater collective. There is a strength within our meditative practices and our read the future practices.
I’ve been thinking about your latest dream and agree that the earthquakes you experience in dreams are also a metaphor for the turbulent days we are living through right now. I know I feel shaken to the core with every awful action by our president and his government.
Interesting that you mentioned Nostradamus. Six weeks ago, my husband and I were wandering down a narrow back street in St. Remy looking for a cafe, when I looked up and saw a plaque marking the house where Nostradamus lived. It was such a surprise and I loved the coincidence/non-coincidence of the moment.
Again, welcome back. We will all learn together how best to share what we see and dream.
Perriwinkle10, your words about the Native Americans are exactly what I was thinking before seeing your response.
I wish we all lived by the Seventh Generation Principle, The Great Law of the Haudenosaunee, the founding document of the Iroquois Confederacy practiced by many Native nations worldwide. It is the oldest living participatory democracy on Earth.
The Seventh Generation philosophy mandated that tribal decision makers consider the effects of their actions and decisions for descendants seven generations into the future. There was a clear understanding that everything we do has consequences for something and someone else, reminding us that we are all ultimately connected to creation. The Seventh Generation Principle today is generally referred to in regards to decisions being made about our energy, water, and natural resources, and ensuring those decisions are sustainable for seven generations in the future. It is also about building relationships between people because as we know, everything is interconnected throughout the world.
While I have known about this philosophy for about 20 years now, I think I need to consciously incorporate it into my world and daily living practices. I almost exclusively buy grass fed beef and pasture raised eggs in my home. I also try to buy organic produce whenever possible. I also try to avoid buying the "dirty dozen " unless they are grown organically. I can do more.
As I am finishing this message, I am currently starring into my backyard. A family of 8 adorable tiny baby quail plus their mom and dad have come into view. They are searching for food in the shade of my tall green grass. It is a blistering 114 degrees outside. Just this morning I was picking some weeds in my grass before it got too hot. I was a little bit miffed. We don't use chemical pesticides and boy do we have some invasive weeds in our lawn this year. It is going to take awhile (days) to get most of them out. I wasn't very happy. But, now that I am watching this family of quail move quietly through our yard, I am reminded about WHY we chose not to spray it with chemicals.
2 quail generations saved, 5 more to go (at least).
I don't believe this beautiful moment is a coincidence.
I am going to go quail watch now. They are so darn cute. Their parents are so protective too. 😀
Perriwinkle10, Thank you for the clarity on animals. Your post explained my dream. In the dream it was that I had to kill these animals myself and I could not do it.
It is not that eating animals is wrong but if I am going to eat animals then I must be able kill them myself. Or else I’m living in denial about what I am doing.
But the dream came when I asked Jupiter in the night sky to help our world just as he did in the Greek myth. I felt I was hearing an answer that we were not awake enough yet. Too many of us still cause suffering of others without realizing it. The atrocities our country is committing is waking people but so many are still asleep.
You asked if I’m feeling the hades/T connection. Absolutely. Last year for several days I kept seeing T in a vision as Khali the devil god. I also heard the name Beezabub for him, another emanation from the darkness.
T is not a god but he channels the darkness. He has attained power because our patriarchal civilization has reached its darkest culmination and he is the perfect representative Of the dark.
For centuries man has seen himself as superior to animals and women and separate from the natural world.
In a famous essay Sir Francis Bacon formalized the claim about man’s superiority that impressed an age.
The myth of separateness has put us on the path to our own extinction.
But If the ancient Greeks are right then the battle for light can’t just be about bringing down this bad guy and his criminal enablers and sponsors even if he channels the devil himself .
To come into an age of light, we have to see into our own darkness too. My dream is telling me that that is what I have to do.
Before we can see Persephone again, We may have to bring Hades up from the depths of our own psyches as well and make peace with ourselves.
You are fine with your diet —the right diet for your body. We each have our path.
Just weighing in on veganism vs. not. I used to be vegetarian, for a long time, macrobiotic for a time too. Unfortunately, probably due to chemicals in much produce (whether organic or not), I developed severe allergies to just about everything and then debilitating autoimmune disease. I'm celiac and especially allergic to soy. I was advised by my doctors to go back on meat and fish. Over time, I've also developed significant seafood allergies, so I'm very limited on that front. That leaves meat.
I support friends who hunt, and who are kind enough to cook what they hunt and share it with family and friends. They only take what they need, during licensed hunting seasons. So that's one source. If I had to kill to eat, I might starve to death, as I just can't do it. I weep when I'm at the railroad crossing nearby and see that it's the slaughterhouse train going past, full of livestock. I've seen the horrific videos...
For all other meats, I go to my farmers' markets, where I know where the meat came from (local), how the animals lived (and most of them have had decent lives), and that they were slaughtered as humanely as possible. Because it's expensive, it limits how much I can buy anyway. I only buy what I know we'll finish. I believe that at least this way I'm supporting local farms and their employees, who are doing their best to be as sustainable as possible and cause the least amount of harm possible.
This has worked for me, because my autoimmune issues, while still present, are stable. I only get sick a couple of times a year. And part of that is also endocrine dysfunction, so yeah, I need protein. Nuts and seeds help, some legumes are ok, others I can't tolerate, and all grains except rice and quinoa make me sick. So this is the path I have to be on.
The Japanese say something before they eat or drink anything: "Itadakimasu". It means "I receive gratefully". Even if not said out loud, the thought of gratitude as one is about to eat, I feel, is important. I make an effort to receive gratefully, to thank the animal for its life and for helping me sustain mine.
I am with you on feeling grief and remorse at the pain our need for sustenance inflicts on other beings. One thing to consider are the assumptions that underly a hierarchy we give to the possibility of pain experienced by what we consume: that the more complex/larger the creature, the worse the suffering, i.e. beef and pork worse that chicken, which is worse than fish, etc. It is human-centric thinking that tells us that the closer to human a being is, the more capacity for suffering it has.
We cannot live without taking life elsewhere. While I certainly respect the impulse behind veganism, even the farming of vegetable crops causes loss of habitat, death of insects and rodents in the fields, etc. It is not "cruelty free."
And I'm someone particularly sensitive toward plants and feel a spiritual relationship with them. They are sentient. In his fascinating book, The Hidden Life of Trees, Peter Wohlleben explains how trees communicate with one another, have mother/child relationships, and how living trees will transfer sugar to dead ones, as if to care for them. And as for complexity, more is being discovered all the time that changes our perspective on what that means. Fungi, for example, are deeply mysterious and complicated. There is intelligence and, I'd argue, consciousness, in all things.
What to do about this is not easy to determine, and must be an individual choice, but I believe awareness is key. We can seek information and make intentional, conscious choices to the best of our ability. We can pray and grieve and orient our hearts in a manner that is far different from blind consumption. Mainstream culture needs more space and sanctity for grieving. We can push for systemic changes to reduce suffering, such as the elimination of factory farms, which are abominations. This shift in mindset will also lead us to consume far less, a necessity to curb the climate crisis we are in.
This moving conversation made me think of a poem by Mary Oliver:
I ever caught
would not lie down
quiet in the pail
but flailed and sucked
at the burning
amazement of the air
in the slow pouring off
of rainbows. Later
I opened his body and separated
the flesh from the bones
and ate him. Now the sea
is in me: I am the fish, the fish
glitters in me; we are
risen, tangled together, certain to fall
back to the sea. Out of pain,
and pain, and more pain
we feed this feverish plot, we are nourished
by the mystery.
thank you for this lovely response. I have a vegan friend who tells me that my empathy should make it easy for me to be vegan.
Im going to check out the farmer’s market, and perhaps focus on fish and chicken
A big Yes to everything you’ve written here. I also Feel kinship with plants, talk to trees and feel it when I harvest my garden veggies. It is all about awareness and feeling the whole world that we affect. I was concerned when I posted my dream and my interpretation that people would focus on one concept like vegan eating while I was trying to work out the meaning for me. For me the journey is about awakening to it all.
There’s a twelfth century Tibetan prophecy about the coming threat to humanity in which they say a heart warrior will rise up and save the world. Teacher Joanna Macy speaks of this prophecy. She said This warrior which will be a collective of lightworkers will be armed with two weapons — one of which is a knowledge of the radical inter connectivity of all things.
Bernie, from our prediction group, keeps getting a 9 earthquake is coming maybe Indonesia or New Zealand. An self proclaimed low tech person, she doesn’t or can’t post in the forum but has made predictions for Read the Future nights.
On June 6, she predicted for the rest of 2019 that there would be a bump in earthquakes and volcanos including under the sea. Soon after that the earthquakes and volcanic activity started occurring that were larger for their locations in 20 years.
She thought the location would be in a park or forested area.
Over the past 6 months there have been about 10 earthquake in the the Saint-Lawrence Valley. Earlier this year and late last year, I've been feeling some seismic activities would happen in this area, more specifically between Quebec City and La Cote Nord on the north shore of the river (Shannon (Quebec City), La Malbaie, Beaupres, Baie-Saint-Paul, Coaticook, etc) The largest earthquake was 2.8 about a month ago, so the big one did not happen, that's for sure!
But to be honest, I don't know if this counts as a hit. Specially when you look at all the major earthquakes all over the world...
Bright Opal, changes in weather do affect earthquake activity. And changes in weather on the earth are now accelerating.
Since the 1980's, psychics have been predicting not only sea level rise but also increased volcanic activity. Volcanologists are now studying how climate change causes increased earthquakes and volcanic activity. There are many studies on this. Here is an article from the Yale School of Forestry .
The gist is that volcanos can be incredibly sensitive to what is going on above the earth, constantly teetering on the edge of stability.
You have magma under the earth, you also have at fault lines, plates pushing against each other ready to snap, then you cause changes on the earth's surface and those changes jerk the earth's crust around and, bam, earthquake or volcano happens.
There is research showing that the 2010 Haiti earthquake was caused by mudslides onto the ocean floor which were caused by climate change floods. That pressure on the ocean floor caused a fault to crack.
Volcanos under the ocean (Bernie had a prediction about that) are going to increase as the oceans warm.
Studies of the earth's last global warming showed a fifty-fold increase of volcanic activity in Iceland. Before the warming, the half mile thick glaciers pressed down on the earth and kept magma from erupted through cracks. After the ice melted, up came the magma - fifty fold.
Once climate change really takes off, we are going to see some mighty big earthquakes.
I just noticed that we've had this discussion before! https://www.jeannemayell.com/community/climate-and-earth-predictions/will-climate-change-trigger-massive-earthquakes-tsunamis-volcanos/
I think you are picking up on earthquake activity because it is increasing. There are scientists who keep track of the rise and fall of climate-related earthquake activity and I don't have their data.
But the way that psychic ability works is that it tells us of coming events that are unusual and need our attention. I am sure that the seismic activity is increasing.
The same goes for Perriwinkle10's dreams. She's getting them because something new is happening here.
You're not alone Opal. ❤ Jeanne is correct. I've been trying to stay calm as this is the month I have seen an uptick in my dreams. (Or at least close to. In my dreams the leaves are falling but it's also warm)
I see volcanoes a lot. Earthquakes cause the disruption. There's a lot of unrest during that time. Political events create havoc and fear. People are hiding, they're being sought out by the government. (This has started as best as I can guess, as the ICE raids are increasing. I live in a farming county with many Hispanic workers. They're so scared.) In my dreams people start acting unusually aggressive. - these are the ones who haven't seen the light. (Again, I feel as if this has started. The shootings sent a chill down my spine in a moment of dejavu)
I find solace in knowing that however this plays out, according to my dreams - the earthquake and volcanic activity means were getting closer to the end of this cycle. Everything is a cycle. I believe many of us will see the beginning of a new cycle and it will be absolutely beautiful.
Believe it or not, even with the craziness of earthly events I see coming, it's the human behavior that will be the worst of it and that's what we're currently experiencing. More will come, yes... but we're going to make it through.
Stay in the light. Transition will happen, it IS happening. In the meantime, focus on your intuition, put your feet in the dirt, meditate, listen to what the earth is saying. I really do think she's trying to tell us that it's time to shake the rugs out and clean house. I imagine it like a mothers warning. "Better pick those Legos up or I'll suck them up with the vacuum. Here I come!"
We got this! 😎
- current Lego threatening mom